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The Wire 2x10 Reaction (Patreon)

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2023-07-16 14:28:14
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Jack SV

Hey hey what is this..? You uploading this early in the day? Is this a good or bad sign? Idk, but thanks for uploading this early. Hope we get a new HunterXHunter reaction today, I will keep my fingers cross.

Shivering King Banana
>>113039796

I'm sure the new HxH will be up today. They would have said it was gonna be late in this post if it wasn't.

BNJ

ASAC stands for Assistant Special Agent in Charge. Most Federal agencies have ASACs that head up certain investigations. Hank in BB was the ASAC of the Gus Fring investigation for the DEA. The FBI, ATF, and other federal agencies have similar structures.

Anonymous

Valchek is a major, same rank as Rawls. Burell is his superior as the police commissioner. But Valchek is politically connected and helped Burrell get promoted from deputy police commissioner to police commissioner. He runs around like he owns the place as Burell "owes" him.

Anonymous

I liked Lola's "Cheese has a forgettable face" comment. At the time The Wire came out Method Man was probably more famous than any other actor in the show.

HenryM

"Bunk looks ridiculous and I can't even laugh" I really like how you understand how Ziggy came to this dark place and still shocked you to the point where you couldn't even concentrate on anything else. "You don't know? You're supposed to know, your his fucking cousin!" "... You're his father" In an episode filled with great moments (we even had Omar petting a dog for christ sake lol) that exchange was my favorite part

Mikey

Έχουμε πρόβλημα = we have a problem

space1999

"College kids ain't shit" anyone claiming this show isn't about class is deluded Love Lola pointing out the irony of Ziggy finally being in a position where he's feared and has power but is brought to tears by his horrible actions and clarifies that the man he shot was "begging for his life" When Cheese asks if Brother is part of "the nation" he’s referring to The Nation of Islam (NOI). Don’t feel comfortable defining them any other way than as a religious black nationalist organization (anyone with a better way to describe them encourage you to share). Encourage people to look them up, incredibly fascinating and scary history. In the 80’s lots of local government groups hired body guards from the NOI to help “clean up” black neighborhoods that were crime and drug ridden. Lots of intimidation tactics were used. Mouzone is almost definitely not part of the NOI anymore as they have a strong anti-drug policy but it’s implied that he was one of these former body guards

Luis
>>113046727

At the time? Shiiiiiiiiiiiit he still more famous then them all now.

Nyeisha Melvina Clark

Yea this episode was a doozy for sure. As much as I liked Frank, he failed so miserably as a father to Ziggy that it was only inevitable that something like this would happen but it doesn't make it any less painful to watch. I also hated how much pressure Frank put on Nick to be Ziggy's keeper so that scene of Nick telling Frank "You're his father!!!" is my FAVORITE scene of this season because it throws it right back in Frank's face about he failed BOTH Nick and Ziggy.

Luis
>>113059517

Ziggy’s a grown ass man. What he did is his fault alone. Frank mentions his other kids earlier in the show but we haven’t met them since they don’t work in the docks. It’s clear there were other avenues for Ziggy to go but he was just too lazy or incompetent to try.

space1999
>>113059517

Two things can be true, Ziggy can be an adult who committed a crime that’s his responsibility AND he can be a victim of an abusive and neglectful upbringing that lead him down this path. The show has communicated from day 1 that Frank failed him The contrast with Nick’s father is great, we see other dealers who knew him shocked that Nick ended up doing business with the Greeks. Before he had a kid he probably was on a great career path but got stuck working the docks. If things had gone right for Ziggy growing up or he had had Nick’s dad as a father things could have been different

Luis
>>113059517

Those two things you mentioned are in direct conflict with each other. If you’re being led down a path then you’re not in charge of your path. Ziggy keeps chasing his fathers approval but he could choose to move on with his life rather than stay in the suspended adolescence he’s chosen for himself.

David

Jimmy’s friend is FBI. They have literally had like 4-5 meeting scenes with the FBI in the first 2 series because of that friend 😂

space1999
>>113059517

You can be lead down a life path and still make specific decisions that you aren’t excused from Does he seem like he has any kind of support system that can help him or the mental/emotional capacity to think about life in such a logical way? Saying he chose this life for himself is unfair I think. We haven’t seen any kind of healthy relationship in his life and it doesn’t seem like he has the capacity to make them as he is, let alone work a job without engaging in destructive impulsive behavior. If these weren’t people he’d known all of his life and his father wasn’t the head of the union he would have been fired dozens of times over for the numerous inappropriate things he’s done (getting into fights, stealing, flashing people, sharing illicit pictures etc) He has legitimate mental health issues, lots of oppositional defiant qualities and severe impulse control. Lots of very inappropriate attention seeking behavior I think it all ties back into class, if he came from a family with a modicum of wealth or a decent education background a lot of these disadvantages wouldn’t be there or as severe as they are. You could say the same for Nick, he wouldn’t be working the docks if he hadn’t had a child at such a young age

Luis
>>113059517

The show does a lot of mirroring. It mirrors people, groups, and situations to see different sides of the same coin. Ziggy is supposed to mirror D I believe. But I'll leave that idea there until the season finale as there's some fun discussions to be had.

space1999
>>113059517

Agree for sure, am excited for those discussions. Love when specific scenes and character arcs are accomplishing multiple things at once. I saw someone make a really compelling case that Ziggy and Nick mirror Avon and Stringer in some interesting ways. Ziggy/Avon wanna feel empowered by their criminal behavior while Nick/Stringer wanna get out of the game and have economic motivations

Nyeisha Melvina Clark
>>113059517

Like Lola and Milena mentioned in the after discussion, yes people are responsible for their own actions BUT what drove them to make the decisions they make is a HUGE part of that and you can't just ignore it. Ziggy being treated as a joke, laughed at, looked down on, and disrespected his whole life is what led to him finally snapping in this moment, and all that was Franks doing because he treated Ziggy in the exact same manner and never stopped anyone else from doing it, plus he never taught his son that he can be someone different, when your parent treats you like that it can either motivate you to be better than them like I'm sure Frank's other child did, or it can break you mentally to where you actually become the joke which is what happened to Ziggy. This path that Ziggy has been on started with Frank that's plain and simple and it ended with Ziggy making a monumental mistake that ruins the rest of his life. Yes Ziggy is to blame but so is Frank, that's just the truth.

Omar O
>>113055391

Adding on the NOI, at least at their origins they were more Separatists than Nationalists, and at the 60s Malcolm X was their most prominent figure to the general public, later he disbanded, converted to Sunni Islam and presumably was killed by them (officially he was killed by members of NOI, but acting alone)

space1999
>>113055391

Appreciate you making the distinction about their origin I get nervous talking about the context of Malcom X dying, a lot of people I know in the south (who don’t necessarily support the NOI one way or another) become incredibly heated when it’s even insinuated that any NOI party members had anything to do with it. Oh the flip side I tried to do a report on Malcom X in the 3rd Grade and my white old lady teacher wouldn’t let me cause she said he was “an evil bad man” smfh

space1999
>>113059517

LM always spittin, can’t agree with you and them more Feel like you could extend this discussion about blame to other characters in the show and the system they serve. Ex: Prez has operated in a system that’s protected him from his worst behavior, an environment that’s fostered his worst tendencies, constant promises from his father and law that have shaped his life for the worst AND he still chose to take that child’s eye

Anonymous
>>113059517

@space1999 Agreed. Frank is a tremendous character, one of my favorite in the show's run, but he failed Ziggy. Frank is not in the game for personal gain. He's someone who is very driven to take care of the dock and its workers. He would do ANYTHING to fight to keep their jobs. To the point of being neglectful of his family life (Ziggy). Frank isn't in it for the money or the fame, but in his goal to save his workers he failed to save his son. Ziggy was probably always destined to be a bit troubled and there's no excusing what he did as the result of daddy issues. He had that impulse and darkness in him and Frank didn't put it there. But he needed guidance, he needed love and acceptance, and he like many people in the Wire was failed.

Anonymous
>>113046727

I didn't mean this as a criticism of Lola who wasn't even born when Enter the Wu-Tang was released.. Just saying he is literally an OG in a show that mostly cast unknowns.

Omar O
>>113055391

How sad, he was a really interesting man to say the least; and was the embodiment of the famous line from brother Mouzone in this episode

space1999
>>113059517

Can’t agree more! Frank is a favorite of mine as well! I think it’s so twistedley beautiful that his undoing is his son BECAUSE he failed him… Like a classic Greek hero with a fatal flaw. This season’s ending always hurts to see.