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Transformation As Defense Or Punishment (Patreon)

Published:
2019-03-12 22:49:10
Imported:
2021-02

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Someone's being a real JERK! Is it time for the person they're being a jerk to, or someone sympathetic, to transform them?!

(This is a follow up to the previous poll and intended to address this specific context of transforming someone without permission)

(Type of transformation is non-specific, and could be any number of things, though likely somehow contextually fitting)

Comments

Calvin-Skye

While I voted yes, I only did so because EGS doesn't have permanent or 're-write your mind' style transformations. Sort term transformation for being a jerk, sure. Anything more is just disturbing.

Anonymous

I mean a REAL jerk. Like, I don't know, making Fluttershy cry or something. Or to save them from far worse doom at the hands of Grace, Susan, Nanase, Eliot... I mean we already have Ashley as Circe in NP right?

Anonymous
>>20719076

Exactly this: think of it this way: it's usually considered ok to get physical in your own defense (pushing someone who invaded your personal space, or physically removing a belligerent jerk from a public establishment), but it's another thing entirely to escalate or do serious permanent harm to someone, even if the jerk in question has already escalated to throwing fists.

Anonymous

I would transform them for just a few seconds, just to make them fear me, but not enough to make them panic.

Anonymous

Zapping is never wrong

McZed

Will it get them to be quiet? Will it do no lasting harm, past existential doubt? Then yes.

M.

I really don't like it. :( That's one of the few things that bothered me about EGS's early days, seeing someone being a jerk and then *poof* they're transformed into someone/thing they don't want to be. It made the TF feel such like a negative thing, and that always bothered me. It just seems so mean-spirited, when most TFing in EGS is more for fun and cool magic stuff and occasionally sexy-awesome stuff. I know part of this is my own issues, since I grew up with someone who was constantly trying to change <i>me</i> and make me who they wanted me to be. But I've never enjoyed TF as punishment and I don't think I ever will.

Nick

Zaps have essentially replaced hammerings now...

Anonymous

I have complex feelings about this. It's effectively physical violence, and it's appropriate IMO in roughly the same situations -- which, in comic form, are somewhat expanded compared to the real world. (Consider the hammerings that Nick refers to. Also, it feels entirely appropriate to me in the current non-canon storyline because the adventurers knew what they were likely to be getting into by being in that storyline and going into that dungeon. There, it's kind of like the physical violence being tackled in football except without the physical-harm risk.) There are also, as with physical violence, gradiations of the thing. Making someone a bit smaller is more like restraining them than hitting them. But there are also times where it's useful for illustrating a point. "Here, walk a mile in my body, and then see if you still want to mock me for this thing I do!"

Anonymous

Oof, strong minority on this one.

Anonymous

Tedd initially wanted to zap Tony into a girl as revenge for the bullying, so this is about the only thing I can think of in that context.

Foradain

On this subject, I agree with the policies of Ozma as shown in Wearing the Cape: Young Sentinels (and later volumes). If you make too much trouble, you get to become Ozma's new hat for a while. If you're really a troublemaker, then after that you get to remember being a hat, and liking it. ^_^

Anonymous

Nooooo! (But yesssssss, its fun. But there should be consequences)

Anonymous

I mean... is it temporary? According to your in-universe rules, they would be. So, yes? On the condition that it was temporary. I would never wish dysphoria on anyone... well... maybe on VERY SPECIFIC people.

Stephen Gilberg

Part of my reluctance stems from having people disagree on what constitutes being a jerk. How would you feel if someone on the other side of a heated debate transformed you to teach you a lesson?

Mark Temple

as entertaining as transformation can be, transforming someone without consent, whether meant as a lesson or otherwise, wouldn't be ethical.

Anonymous

Depends on the transformation, and the duration. It's already well established that transformation is harmless and easy in EGS-land. Transforming someone trying to fight into something that can't... or just as a hell of a distraction... just to make them STOP for a second? I have no problem with this. It's not functionally different from, say, being picked up by the back of the neck and belt, and hauled outside.

Anonymous

Given that transformation is temporary, and fades faster when actively resisted, I'm ok with it. Particularly in cases where the tf form is poetically just.

extantCadence

Forced transformation in fiction can lead to a lot of great writing opportunities, including potential analogues to dysphoria and probably other things I can’t think of right now. The problem is that so little of what’s out there actually takes advantage of those possibilities.

Alex

I don't like forced anything on a body. (Yes, I'm aware it is fiction but still feels icky)

David Fenger

EGS style transformations (where anyone who hates the change can shake it off in under a day) work well for this. More persistent types, my answer would be no.

PSadlon

I'm actually in between the first two. For for funsies, zappy time, For defense, zappy time For non-canon revenge, zappy time, For canon anti-hero revenge, depends on how kharmic. For canon hero revenge, nope.

PSadlon

Also Ellen &amp; Susan are just barely anti-heroic. They have shown they'll inflict non-damaging pain &amp; humiliation, if they think someone deserves it even though their threshold of who deserves it has matured. It's part of who they are. Grace doing it would be a radical departure from who she is. Elliot I could see maybe doing if pushed past a certain point but he'd hate himself for doing it.

John Trauger

Tedd wrestled with the moral consequences of zapping someone for revenge and came up with "nope". If you're defending yourself, you do what works. In-continuity transforming also comes with the consequence of being known as someone that is capable of doing it. Magic may be outed but one still has to choose to be outed as a magic user.

Drew "Ununnilium" Perron

I put "yes but only if non-canon", but my feelings on it are Complicated.

Anonymous

I feel like canon punishment zaps (that are temporary, convenient, and safe) are morally grey and should be treated as such. But for self defense all bets are off, especially since TF can be highly effective at non-lethally neutralizing an opponent.

Some Ed
>>20719080

I thought we had Ashley's ancestor as Circe in NP.

Some Ed
>>20719341

Mind experiment time: imagine a bully who acts out because they're uncomfortable with their latent discomfort with their gender assigned at birth (thanks DSM-5 for making this sentence awkward). Now transform them briefly into the form they would feel more comfortable for two seconds, and then back. Realistically speaking, is there *any* reaction that they can give to this that is not panic?

Some Ed

I notice these polls never have an option for, "I feel really strongly indecisive about this. This is complicated but important!"

Anonymous

I voted "Yes. Now is the zappy time.", but want to say that only applies if the transformation is temporary (as is the egs norm). Permanent tfs are anti-hero at best.

Anonymous

For me, it depends a lot on what you mean by "jerk." I think there's a line you could cross that would make it acceptable, but it would be the same line where violence would become acceptable. It mostly would not just be speech, but actions. (Unless said speech can cause irreparable harm.) I could only see zapping with wild abandon (like a replacement for hammers) in non-canon or by someone who is not supposed to be good (like early Pandora.)