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Bimbo Mental Effect Poll (Patreon)

Published:
2018-12-13 20:20:31
Edited:
2018-12-14 02:11:09
Imported:
2021-07

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This is different from "Ditzy" from Goonmanji as it genuinely makes someone less good at thinking... Stuff? And... Junk?

This can result in fun, silly behavior, but plenty of people don't like it, and not without reason. As such, I'm curious.

Keeping in mind that I consider this effect potentially applicable to any gender (as evidenced by previous EGSNP nonsense), do you like the effect?

EDIT - Note that this is definitely the sort of thing that would only be likely to appear in non-canon situations.

Comments

McZed

I like it as a backfire effect, or something weaponized (much like today's strip).

PBManning

I'm not fond of "bimbo" as an idea because in contemporary usage it's just another mean thing to say to a woman. Framing it as something to be desired just (to me) reinforces a misogynistic cultural paradigm that holds reverence for a specific archetype of the "ideal" female body while mocking the person that inhabits it. Frankly, it distracts from any personality that the character might have as an individual, replacing their humanity with a tired approximation of women, and specifically of teenage girls. While the usage of "bimbo forms" in this specific context is not the same as having a character who simply embodies that trope, it still irks me in the same way.

Arina-Artemis S.

I think, as a VERY temporary "relaxation" sort of effect, it can be nice.

Anonymous

Time to summon the inner Susan, A difficulty in growth/shrinking is explored in the DS9 episode "One Little Ship" in that the shrunk/elarged individuals have also been shrunk/elarged in relation to the physical world. This is very relevant in the case of the relative size of oxygen molecules as a person shruk significantly would not be able to assimilate the now radically larger evironmental oxygen, likewise a person significantly enlarged would have difficulty absorbing enough environmental oxygen to function normally and one of the symptoms of insufficient oxygen would potentially be impaired cognition.

Anonymous

My only concern is being if the effect to mainly used to turn. character into a foil/scapegoat for unpleasant behavior or toxic dialog. When it's used to highlight a character's newly found [flexable emotional capacity] + [increased active interactions] + [disposition toward extreme pleasantries] instead of being only used to portray a [mental deficiency] + [sense of entitlement] , then I think it's A-Okay.

Stephen Gilberg

Played to an extreme, it looks like a mockery of people with mental disorders. Even when it doesn't trigger indignation on that front, overly lowbrow humor borders on insulting the viewers' intelligence, as if to say, "You people are so stupid that I have to make a character THIS stupid for you to KNOW she's stupid." So maybe dial it back a bit.

Anonymous

My initial, automatic reaction was "not this again", though my disgust was hard to understand. It's true that it's harmless silly fun, but when combined with the overtly skimpy design, it feels like playing out a fetish, as did the ditzy effect. In addition, I feel that changing both someone's style and intellect basically rewrites their entire personality into someone else entirely, with nothing left of their original self. I mean, what exactly would be the difference between Nanase with this form and anyone else?

Anonymous

I think it would be an interesting effect if it were divorced from the physical transformation (or at least...that physical transformation that is stereotypically associated with "bimbos"). I see nothing wrong with temporarily mentally transforming someone, but this feels like something with not-fun baggage behind.

Adama
>>17989031

The same issue was covered in the novelization of "Fantastic Voyage". But those both involve science-fictional shrinkage and EGS features magical shrinkage, so physics goes out the window.

Anonymous

Not a fan as it tends to encourage objectification of the recipient. Additionally it's hard to pull off consistently. In the strip Nanase first asks a semi-reasonable question with poor grammar, and then guesses an answer to a question she understands and definitely knows that her guess is wrong. In this case the bimbofication has made her a lot more ignorant (grammar, general knowledge) and her intelligence is going up and down like a yo-yo.

Adama

I can understand people's points about objectification and fetishism, but isn't that already true of a lot of EGS transformations?

Anonymous
>>17989732

Now that's not to say I am against all mind-altering forms. I simply would like it to be less "becoming a specific personality" and more bringing out something that's already there, under the surface. A great example of a form like this, that you really haven't explored, is intoxication. Everybody expresses intoxication differently, and it would be fun to see how everybody acts in that state, without the actual problems of underage alcohol, or traditional party atmosphere.

Serith
>>17989930

Kind of I guess, but I personally think the big difference is that a mental dumbing down being treated as sexy is much more objectifying because it robs the character of the capacity to perform in any capacity other than dumb and pretty. Physical transformations on the other hand are just an aesthetic change and the character can still display their own unique personality while extra busty or short or a different gender. That's my two cents at least.

Serith

I am completely against mental transformation of any sort. Your characters personality should not be changed at all imo. Otherwise it doesn't truly feel like them anymore.

Anonymous

Modifying thought processes in general is a very discomfiting concept for me, but it's especially so when you are making the person less able to function. And if you make them *smarter*, you run into the issue of why they would want to revert to baseline, and in general it gets into a lot of ableist territory. I would much rather avoid any kind of "intelligence slider" effect in transformations.

David Fenger

The use in Nanase Craft looks likely to be interesting from the challenge aspect - each character has been disabled, one physically (by being shrunk too small to do the puzzle), the other mentally. So far the temple of zappiness' effects have proven temporary, and RoseElliot's aside to the viewers makes it feel very likely that nobody's going to get stuck. I feel very differently about temporary mental changes than permanent ones. I'd hate to be disabled in such a way, but to safely and temporarily have the spinning wheel of thoughts in the back of my head go away? That's different. I'm not as fussed about the stereotype aspects, though I can see where it'd bother some people. I don't see that as a good reason not to go in an interesting direction in a story like this, however.

Sleep

Diminished mental capacity reduces or removes capacity for self-determination and for exercising consent. Combining "can't figure out how to say no" or "doesn't understand the question" with "performatively sexy" -- the last panel of Dec 12th's EGS-NP -- is pretty creepy.

John Trauger

I am not a fan of mental bimbification as a rule. l will trust Dan to handle it in a way I will probably like however.

Anonymous

The mental on its own is one thing, the mental combined with the physical is another.

Thisguy

I don’t really care, but if this is specifically referring to the Nanase Craft story, then I find it hilarious that the dungeon has targeted the main puzzle solver with an ability which removes her puzzle solving ability, leavening Sarah to solve it. Basically, if it’s a temporary effect which only lasts for the duration of this room, it works well in the setting.

Anonymous

...wait, when in NP did this affect a guy who stayed a guy? (FTR, I waffled a bit between "nay" and "meh," but went with the latter in the end.)

egscomics
>>17997245

The etymology of the word was discussed in an NP in the recent assorted section and involved Elliot and Tedd.

Prof Sai

I voted Nay, in that it's presence would not attract me to a story. But being there, it can be used well. There was a good episode of Futurama that had flying evil brains that made the world dumb except for Fry, and that worked well.

Anonymous

I find the effect sort of fun, but only in small doses. So basically only NP, only non-canon, and I'll start losing interest in the results after probably not more than a week or two of updates, maybe a month if it's used in an interesting way.

Anonymous

It's not *really* my thing, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of mental mischief from time to time.

Anonymous

I don't like mental transformations that result in lower intelligence for the purposes of humor. Other mental transformations, sure. A mental transformation where they're easily distracted, or can't stop thinking about shiney things, or anything like that would be fine with me... but lowered intelligence feels too much like "punching down".

Joe Blue

I mean, I don't mind it too much. but there's a point "even for fun" that it goes too far. (was hoping nanase joined Sarah in smallness, but hey)

Merle Blue

I kinda look at it like getting drunk or stoned. A little, for comedic purposes - funny. Moderately, with consent, for comedic or sexy purposes - grand. Without consent, or severely - no good.

Edwin J. Beck

Never was a fan. I find intelligence attractive, plus, bimbo transformation always felt date-rapey to me given that it meddles with the targets ability to think coherently and lowers their inhibitions.

Anonymous
>>17993672

I trust Dan not to produce a story that leaves me disturbed and disgusted at the end. However, for me to actually like this, it would need to subvert the "bimbo" trope quite a bit.

Warren (Stephen) Rose

I am against bimboification being used in this comic as it lowers ability to give consent. As a pansexual guy I enjoy the trope being used in erotica, often alongside jockification, but that is basically the death of the original character. In a more realistic setting I could easily see myself becoming addicted to the effect and becoming homeless and penniless as I feel that would be to me a wonder drug more dangerous and more appealing than what exists currently... Magical bimboification often becomes the death of the original world as it may remove the inflicted's capacity to decide to not to spread it, resulting in a looming zombie-type apocalypse. The effect of Not-Tengu's thrall punch seems to be worse than the consequences of bimboification, so it's not adding more powerful story-imbalancing weapon into the magical arsenal than what already exists... Eh, am just not a fan of the idea. Ah, the best use of a bimbo affect (as in appearance of, rather than a directed 'effect') I've seen was someone who was zapped illiterate and almost nonverbal but managed to get their hands on the controls for the raygun and unhook everything behind the button they remembered represented them and reattached the wires to the button representing the mad scientist who made the machine thus shifting the effect the next time it was activated. Hmm, an idea for bimboification I have not seen that may actually be more creepy as it kinda involves creating a possessing personality is where there is a smart person slowed down to a quarter of normal speed at their brain's control panel trying to deal with a shallower copy of their personality who is moving around the control room at normal or faster speed...

Constantine

After watching my grandparents loose thier mind to Dementia and Alzheimers, anything that interferes with memory and thoughts like that bimbo transformation is the stuff of nightmares to me

Anonymous

Definitely no. Weird consent issues, and loss of comprehension / mental confusion is more of a horrific thing, not entertaining. I've had to deal with a bunch of that on occasion due to migraine attacks / other brain complications and it's been a very scary thing to experience.

Drew "Ununnilium" Perron

You know, I used to have a lot of hangups on intelligence loss, seeing my intelligence as a primary part of my identity. Nowadays, tho, I feel like playing with it reaffirms my identity beneath it, and is more towards the fun kind of scary.

Anonymous

I find drastic loss of intelligence unappealing on multiple levels.