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I keep trying to write an update that will give some illusion that I have some kind of a path forward in mind, but every time I start it just all comes out rage and bile. I’m just so fucking angry I can’t function, let alone make coherent business decisions.

In some ways I regret the tone of the last post, not because of how it inflamed my agitators (well, not only that), but because of how much it upset people. In a way it was selfish, being so naked about how hurt and angry I was/am, because it doesn’t really help anything. Doesn’t help me, only upsets people who supported me or liked my work, sends my detractors into a rage for insinuating that their actions might cause hurt (even to people who they think deserve to be abused), and all in all just plays into the “cancel culture” narrative of reactionaries and diet nazis. Truly, a lose-lose. I should not have framed it the way I did, but then again, I genuinely did not think it would get much attention outside of Patreon.

So I was going to write this long post about monthly cost breakdown and how a company with multiple employees earning thousands of dollars per month is in no way near the same as an individual earning the same, but then I realized, why bother? These people don't care. Long and short - businesses are tedious, boring and expensive to run, comments still need moderating, and the PBS contract isn't done. But it will be soon (hopefully by the end of this month) and after that, I just don't know. I didn't have a plan to jump to, I only knew that I couldn't do YouTube anymore, or any kind of opinion based "content creation" when having a milquetoast banal observation on a goddamn Disney movie is what napalmed my life in the first place. I don't even know how I can keep writing, because my name is attached to my books, and my name is the thing that's most toxic.

So the only thing I’ll say now is that this abbreviated post is all I have while I figure out how to add value to this Patreon account in ways that don’t involve me being on camera. This nightmare never ends.

Comments

Anonymous

Supporting you whatever you do, whether it's visible to me or not!

Anonymous

Do whatever you need to do to be ok.

Anonymous

🤍🤍🤍 if it’s just supporting you as an author then I’m here for it. No need to be on camera.

Anonymous

I'm so sorry this is so hard. It was great seeing you in San Diego at your first ever book event! Behind you whatever you choose.

Anonymous

Sending all the love and support I have to you and yours right now as you figure out your next steps 💛

Anonymous

Yeah don't care you can have my two bucks a month. Looking forward to whatever you decide to put out. Much love for what you've done and the hours of entertainment.

Anonymous

You don't owe me anything more that you've already given me. I've watched your videos for hours and hours. This is just a small token of what I owe you. Happy to stay here.

Anonymous

TBH, hearing about your previous post was what got me to resubscribe. I’ve always appreciated your willingness to be open and vulnerable, to allow yourself to show in your work. I’m 100% here for your content, even if it’s never on camera, because I think yours is a valuable voice. That includes the last post and this one.

Anonymous

Don’t worry about value, or trying to make it “worth” it for us. A lot of us absolutely understand the situation you’re in and just want support however we can.

Anonymous

Just hoping you can have some time for yourself. Wishing you the most best.

Anonymous

I've been a fan of your work since the Nostalgia Chick days. At the end of the day, you're just a person with a channel (or not, as the case may be...) and your life shouldn't blow up over such small potatoes. Wishing you all the best in whatever comes next.

Anonymous

This anger feels both valid and familiar. Take your time, we'll be here.

Anonymous

Take it easy and stay safe

Anonymous

Honestly take as long as you want. Take forever. Don't care. I back your stuff because its well written. I don't mind if nothing ever happens again, will still be on here as long as I have a job that allows me to back people. Sucks that you're going through all this horrible shit where literally nothing you do will be taken in good faith by the loudest jags on the planet. You do what you need to.

Anonymous

I will support you even if you do nothing else. You deserve it after what you’ve been through. Just rest and heal. Be well.

Anonymous

Honestly I just plan to leave this patreon on forever because I hate what they did to you and this is really nothing per month comparatively. I want you to be happy and do whatever it is that you need to do.

Anonymous

Health comes first. So fuck em. Be free.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I sincerely hope you put taking care of yourself ahead of us — now and always. The people who work for you can find other work. You are not obligated to continue making anything, for their sake or ours.

Cristina Anderson

Im sure you will hear this a bunch from us, but I support you in whatever you decide to do!

Anonymous

People hurt you pretty viciously. You're allowed to be human and admit you're hurt. We're cool.

Anonymous

I hope you and your collaborators can take care of yourselves, you absolutely do not deserve the shitshow you've been getting

Anonymous

If I can buy one of my favorite authors a coffee once a month, I’m fine with no digital content.

Anonymous

💙💙💙

Anonymous

I'll support you and the team on here as long as I can. You're still the best at what you do.

Anonymous

Just a post expressing love in your direction

Anonymous

I hope you can feel safe and cared for.

Anonymous

You don't need to apologise for showing the pain. You don't need to have a plan yet, I'm sure all your supporters here can keep the patreon alive while you take your time to recover from the trama and burn out.

Anonymous

I can hardly imagine how stressful the business aspects of all this must be. Please take the time you need. If the only "value" we get out of your Patreon for the next several months is a quick note here and there saying "still angy, still sad" a whole lot of us will be here for it. On another note, I finally started the audiobook for Axiom's End and I'm really enjoying it!

Anonymous

I'm not going anywhere. Still committed to my amount! I hope the recovery does come and I look forward to seeing that happen.

Anonymous

It’s heartbreaking to read how hurtful and terrible this has all been for you, and I cannot fathom how these people spewing out their hate and bile, are so unable to see the human they’re ultimately hurting on the other side. I hope to see you create more, and find joy in it, but mostly I hope 2022 gives you peace.

Anonymous

It might take some time to find a new path. Don’t worry, people will wait. I hope things get better for you soon.

Anonymous

Here to support you no matter what!

Justin Alexander

You don't owe an apology to anyone for being honest. From personal experience, I know it's almost impossible not to focus on the people who consider your name toxic. But the truth I know is that your name is a warm beacon promising something exciting and invigorating and worth waiting for.

Anonymous

Big fan. I get what you're saying....please let us know if you need/want advice from experts. I'm a corporate attorney, and you have swaths of fans in similarly high levels of expertise who have stress from things that feel silly compared to what you're seeing. We care more about you that your value to us (I'm betting; I do at least). Let us know if we can help you.

Anonymous

Take your time. I'll stay.

Anonymous

It is ALWAYS more important that you take care of yourself first. You’ll have our support regardless

Anonymous

Please, take some time to yourself to figure things out. As I frequently have to remind myself: it's okay to not be okay. I think I can speak for most people here that we're willing to wait. I hope you feel better soon!

Jake Sullivan

You do you. It will be enough. Greetings from Switzerland!

Anonymous

I agree with everything everyone above wrote. Hug. I hope you are getting love and support offline. Do they you need to do. I want to support you more after these posts too.

Anonymous

Take care of yourself, first and foremost.

Anonymous

Love you. Do what you need, but your name and face are still very valuable to me. I'll continue to buy your books as long as you write them.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I've followed your career since Nostalgia Chick and it hurts my heart you're dealing with this. But am I the only one that didn't hear about the whole thing about Raya last year? Or if I heard about it, it seemed absolutely trivial and something that only a small amount of detractors would focus upon? I'm not saying your feelings are wrong on this. But I'm wondering if the bubbles we exist within make our perception of people's ire and detraction that much worse than it really is. Either way, I hope you're able to figure this out and move forward and continue to write and MAYBE in the future, do videos or something like it. It's a very difficult media landscape we live within and I'm so glad that there's people doing it, but it's something I'd never feel comfortable doing myself, even as a former arts performer. If you're a sensitive person, it's just too toxic. I honestly wonder how celebrities and people of note are able to handle the unfair and malicious criticism that gets thrown their way.

Anonymous

As a fan of yours and fellow working writer, I welcome any written posts and encourage you to lean hard into the things that suit you best and bring you the most fulfillment. Do whatever you need to structure the conversation in ways that provide boundaries for your own health. Thanks for all you do.

Anonymous

even if you never create any content again you will forever be my favorite content creator and i'll gladly do whatever i can to keep you and your employees afloat.

Anonymous

Yuck. well hoping for the best! Think your content is great! But yeah focus on your health first then figure things out. Given how often this happens, you’d think there’d be a therapy group by now. :-)

Anonymous

I want to say "don't worry about us" and "you have a responsibility to yourself and your mental health first and foremost", but I'm sure that sounds banal, and that you can't help but worry about doing right by us too. I'm rooting for you to find the right path. You got this.

Anonymous

Do what you have to do! I hope that things improve for you

Anders Theroux

I'm not ending my contributions. Your videos are amazing and you've helped inspire me to get my own writing career going. Will always be grateful for that! 😊

Anonymous

"I don't even know how I can keep writing..." The bonus to writing novels vs YouTube is you don't have a comment section filled with a mob of anonymous assholes everytime you open a book. Theres a good distance between you and them. That and potential for new audience.

Anonymous

And to be honest any of your supporters probaly know of the cost of running business or can guess, if you want to give insight go ahead but if your trying to convince your trolls... Give up and hire a media manager so you don't need to deal with them instead

Anonymous

Regardless of what value the patreon provides I'll be here because I support you as a creator and an artist. I liked the first book and I'm getting the second in Audible as soon as I remember to grab it. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, I can barely speak for myself but the rage? The bile? The anger and hatred of everything that is "The Internet Discourse" is entirely appropriate. The most disgusting people that have the most disgusting things to say won't / don't care about the breakdown of the business, because they don't care about literally anything that doesn't immediately support their opinions.

Anonymous

You're a human being dealing with the opinions of thousands of strangers, I don't think there is any correct way to deal with that. You could always write fiction and essays under a pseudonym, but I don't know anything about your job or the ton of work that goes into it, so feel free to ignore. Whatever you decide on it'll be okay. This isn't the end, just a change in direction. Even if it isn't now, one day it'll be okay.

Anonymous

I don't doubt that your feelings are based on real and valid things. I just...this sounds so much like the way I talk to myself when I'm at my most depressed. I hope that you're seeing a mental health professional (you seem like the kind of responsible person who would be) and I hope they're encouraging you to take some time away from all these things that are only worsening your mental health. But this isn't it. You sound like you're in a spiral and I wish those of us who have always loved your work could help you, but I can't imagine we're doing anything but making it worse with parasocial garbage.

Anonymous

It's been really awful to see what's been going on and I'm sorry you've been so hurt. If ideas are totally unwarranted, ignore this, but other creators I've seen have private Discords for subscribers. No need to produce content

Anonymous

I’m here to support you as a creator—whatever that means. I’m looking forward to seeing the direction you take us in!

Anonymous

I will continue to support you whether you make new content or not. All the content you made for all these years that I got for free is well worth supporting you now, and I hope you'll find a way out of this justified anger. Sending you all my support. Hope you'll be okay!

Anonymous

Hard to like something like this, like any of this, but of course you know you have ardent, thoughtful supporters, but I will also mention that I know that this has changed some of my plans and deepened some of my convictions, and given me profound new imputes on questions I'm working over. This is not happening in isolation; well this comment is I haven't seen anyone else's; but not the bullshit you're struggling with, and that we all need to understand and recon with however we can.

Anonymous

You got a bunch of people here that truly support you and we won’t be going anywhere 💓💓💓

Sara-ara

I'm with you 100%. I know I'll still be buying your books and supporting you in whatever you want to do ❤️❤️❤️

Jacob Freedman

I understand the need to escape the legacy from ChAw and the toxicity of being a minority who shows their face online. Hopefully you find a new penname or something. Best wishes going forward ❤️

Adam Greene

The fact that a successful woman was made to feel wrong or vicious for opening up and honestly, clearly, and far more calmly than most could manage is infuriating. How many men have loudly lashed out in anger, saying and doing things that should bring their career to an end, only to have the world shrug and move on? You were far more considerate and balanced than I would have thought possible.

Anonymous

You owe me nothing and I am not upset that you are upset at people trying to destroy you and therefore what, not creating content? It's okay. I hope these comments do bring you happiness, there are a ton of people who want you to feel better because we want you to feel better. I hope you create because you seem to truly love the craft and I love to learn from these diverse, niche and deep videos. If you don't find a creative outlet you want to monetize, I hope you continue creating privately for yourself.

Ciara O'Hagan

One thing I would want to say is don't be mad at yourself for sharing too much emotion. You're a human. What are humans without emotion? How can we claim to support people who make entertaining content and then be upset that they revealed their humanity? Those who have hounded you won't have their minds changed probably (and it is incredibly aggravating that they won't because they will continue to bully and abuse while claiming to be the good ones) but those who support you realise you are a human and only want you to be healthy (physically and mentally). What I would want from you in the future doesn't actually matter. We don't even live in the same country. But if I were to give an opinion I would want to see nothing from you for a while, if that meant you actually got a chance to try and heal. I'll still be waiting if you ever want to come back. And if you don't? I'd be happy to know that you got away from something that hurt you so much

Anonymous

Still, an appreciation. Still, would like to continue supporting you. As and when you're ready. Take your time to heal. <3

Anonymous

Your name may be "toxic" for some idiots online, but it means so much to us. We've got your back, no matter what path you travel next.

Anonymous

As someone who just started following you to read your last post (and has been enjoying your YouTube content for years), don't feel bad for taking the time to figure all this out. All the shit and drama will surely be here when/if you return. Good luck and sorry Internet culture sucks!

Anonymous

New patron, joined to support your team and to say thank you. Please take care of yourself first. I don't want any content, just to say thank you for all you've done and give you space to support your team. Please take care of yourself.

Anonymous

We just want to support you and hope you’re being supported in your personal life!

Anonymous

Happy to hang out and just support. I appreciate your voice and all the work that you and your team do.

Anonymous

Take the time to heal and figure out what the next steps are. From what I've seen from your Patreon and other supporters, we'll be here whatever you decide. Don't feel like you owe us anything. Between your books, videos and podcast, you've given enough. Take time for yourself, please.

Anonymous

Thank you for thinking of us at all. You don't have to justify anything to us, we understand. And I pray you keep writing. I love your books and so does my father. People who aren't terminally online know you for your writing and work with PBS. Your name isn't toxic outside of places that aren't intrinsically toxic themselves.

Anonymous

It’s $2 a month in payment of the content you already made and that I rewatch regularly. You don’t owe us anything more. If having the Patreon is too stressful, you can shut it down when you and your team are ready, and I honestly would need no explanation. Take care of yourself and thank you.

Anonymous

I'll add to the positivity vibe, and say that we're all here for you in whatever form that takes moving forward.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I supported your patreon for the first time because of your last post. Jumping into anything without a net is scary as hell, and I wanted to do my part to catch you. You don't owe anything to anyone. It's a "Patron of the arts" for a reason. My sincere hope is that you find your passion again. Do what makes you happy.

Anonymous

So sorry about this Lindsay. I'll continue contributing even without output or(for Kaveh) content. Call it a sabbatical or whatever.

Anonymous

Do whatever you need to do to find a career path and creative path that will satisfy you and make end's meet. I'll be here to support regardless. Please take care of yourself as well mentally. Others have said it but it really is important.

Olivia Smith

Like everyone else said, don't worry about 'adding value' here, I'm going to keep donating no matter what. Ordered Axiom's End last week, too! Looking forward to reading it when it arrives ☺️

Anonymous

you don't owe any of us anything. you've provided me with so much joy over the years that I will literally keep sending you money just to exist. if you keep this Patreon open and never create anther scrap of content, I. will. be. here.

Anonymous

For what it's worth, I'm happy for you to take your time. I (re)joined the Patreon after your post, mainly as a way to show appreciation for what you've already done, which I couldn't continue supporting in the past 2 1/2 years having been without a salary, and plan on continuing to do so while I can. I personally hope (long chance but maybe it can inspire a way forward) that you can find a way to support yourself based on exiting content for a while, without creating more things if you're not up for it. I imagine it's difficult but you have done so many worthwhile things, I wish / hope there was a way for you to take time off to pick yourself up and decide on the next chapter in your own time. As already mentioned you have my support, and hopefully that of others.

Paul Coghill

All the best, even if it seems overwhelming, remember to keep perspective - you don’t need to engage the assholes and they’ll have to look elsewhere.

Anonymous

Keep doing what you need to do, if that means writing a bit just to get it of your chest, do that.

Anonymous

Your last post was, I thought, truthful and I don’t understand those who are upset with you. Reading it was heartbreaking, and I think you’ve handled the whole thing much more gracefully and honestly than others would. None of us would know how to react in your situation, and those who are criticizing you definitely don’t. I know a rando comment won’t be super helpful. But whatever you decide, be kind to yourself. Take the time you need. And thank you for everything, us not-assholes will be here supporting you. ❤️

Anonymous

I think it's safe to say that everyone here has your back. Take your time and figure out what you need to do.

Anonymous

Thanks for your honesty. If you're going through hell, keep going.

Anonymous

Sending love❤️ you don't owe anyone anything and I appreciate all the hours of entertainment, and thought provoking your videos have done for me. Your books have also brought me a lot of joy in the last few years. Thank you so much , and I wish you and your team well ❤️

Anonymous

Here to support you in any way we can. Your critical voice for media and pure understanding of and eloquent conveyance of its minutiae and history is a voice that I hope is never permanently silenced. Seriously. I picked up more from your Whole Plate Media Studies course than I did getting my Media Studies degree in the first place.

Anonymous

Do what you need to to be safe and healthy and happy. I think we'll all support you regardless

Anonymous

I became a patron with absolutely no expectation of any content. I will remain a patron whether you ever do anything else I find interesting or not. All I want from you is for you to heal, by whatever means necessary. Take care. ❤️

Anonymous

I know it doesn't seem like it right now...but this nightmare will end. And you will find out what's next on the other side of it. Thank you, in the meantime, for keeping us updated. I hope you find something that is not toxic for you... You'll be amazed how much better everything looks when you do. You'll get there.

Anonymous

You don't ever have to feel sorry for "upsetting" your fans, people who like you and/or your work with that last statement. I (and most people who are your fans) are furious at what happened to you and at the people who did it to you. I can't imagine what you are going through and I can only help by staying subscribed as long as this Patreon remains open. Know that I am perfectly happy and content as a fan with whatever you decide to do, as long as it takes.

Nicolas Berube

Just finished reading your book and it was the best read I've had in years. Feel better. Or not. Whatever it is, you'll still have brought me so much joy, and I'll support you.

Anonymous

You are good and you deserve to feel good.

Juan Borla

Don't worry about us. At all. We're not the victims, we're not suffering, and we're not dependent. Do what you have to do for you and yours. We love you.

Anonymous

I just hope you’re able to find some kind of peace in the midst of all this. Wishing you nothing but love.

Anonymous

Your name isn't toxic, your detractors are. I'm sure you've read Jon Ronsons "So You've been Publicly Shamed" at this point, you've definitely read a lot similar on the topic, definitely worth it if you haven't. You didn't cause this and the vendetta against you was not deserved. Glad to see you're still communicating, but if you need a break take a break, don't worry about the value of content, take care of yourself first

Anonymous

I'm worried for you Ms. Ellis. I hope you have a support network with you and a good therapist. What's happened isn't fair to you at all.

Anonymous

I agree with others; don't feel like you owe us anything. I just want to support you in whatever you do, as an author of your great books, and listening to you talk about musicals on your podcast - or whatever you choose to do. I want to support you as an awesome person. I am anticipating what happens next in your books after the ending of Truth of the Divine. Take care of yourself. Much love from me to you. ❤️ Take care of yourself in whatever form is the best for you. I'll still always support you whether you make content or not because you're intelligent and funny, and I want to support you in whatever you do from the books you write or anything else. I worry about you and hope I can help in my small way with monetary monthly amount and my words conveying my care and concern and gratitude for you.

Anonymous

Honestly you don’t even need to worry about adding value here. We are supporting you because we appreciate everything you’ve created in the past and the person you are. ❤️ I do really hope you keep writing books. Eventually the hate mob will move on, but your supporters will always be here for you. Side note: I just finished reading Truth of the Divine and I really really feel that you bring something exceptional to the Sci-Fi space. Destined to be classics, imo!

Anonymous

I don’t have words to express how sorry I am for what you’re going through. You don’t deserve this, and I hope you can see there are many of us who still support you. I value your voice and your talent, and I will continue to be a patron regardless of what (if any) content you create. Please, take your time, take care of yourself, and heal. We’ll be here.

Anonymous

No expectations for the future, Lindsay. I just want to support your Patreon for as long as it lasts, even without new posts. You've made such a positive difference for years and you deserve to have lots of great options for what to do next. Take good care of yourself.

Shannon

Just take your time to recharge and heal, I’ll be here.

Anonymous

I think you should take as much time as you need to be as angry as you need to be and to figure it out.

Anonymous

I'm sorry. As much as we love your content I think most of us patrons care more about you as a person. You don't need to give us constant updates if it's not good for you. If you return to writing or anything else public again I look forward to reading it. And if you don't I thank you for all the great stuff you've given us over the years.

Anonymous

All your responses were totally on point to convey the situation you are in and how you feel about it. But this post... Take your time to figure this out for yourself and your employees. You enriched my life for over a decade and if it takes a decade to figure it out, I will support you for a decade. Deal?

Anonymous

Don't forget that /you/ didn't "napalm your life" - other people did that by twisting your words. Take care of yourself, Lindsay - maybe my $3 divided by [insert business breakdown here] can help go towards something to aid on that end.

Anonymous

Over the past 5+ years, I've waited for, watched, rewatched, and universally loved your work. AS A CIS WHITE MALE (/s), you made me see feminism in a whole new way. You changed my life and made me a better person. I'm not saying any of this to try to get you to make more stuff, but what I am saying is that after being a freeloader for about 5 years, I have no problem whatsoever paying a couple bucks a month so that the people who provided me with this content can continue to have health insurance. Hell, even if it's just so that you can live on it and take a break from all this insanity, I don't mind paying. Maybe you'll come back, maybe you won't, but either way you don't owe me anything, it's the other way around.

Anonymous

No matter what you post, haters are gonna shit on it. You are in an impossible situation, and it sucks and is completely unfair. You are doing you, and the you that you are doing is a brave and hurt human. Please take care of yourself, don't worry about us or anybody else right now. You've given so much to other people. Now, please give to yourself. Therapy, baths, shutting yourself off from the internet for a week or a year - whatever it is that YOU need right now.

Anonymous

Sorry to make this about me but this situation has sort of scared me away from starting a channel where go through every film that has ever received funding from the Pentagon and sort explain how it is American/war propaganda and how it affects political discourse. It’s scary to see how things can get so toxic.

Anonymous

Aw, don't feel bad about upsetting us. If anything, it was an eye-opener for how normal, healthy fans can blithely go on enjoying someone's work while utterly blind to actual lunatics. I kind of wish I commented more now, even though I didn't really know if you read them... they all would have been positive.

Anonymous

Hey, so for me personally I decided to support you now because I have enjoyed your content for years without leaving money - I now have a job! I don't need you to produce anything new, you have given me so much free content over the years, seriously! Take time, and take care! I have no idea what it's like to be attacked viciously online and I am just sorry you are sad and hurting. I just want to support! Most people are good!

Anonymous

Enjoyed a lot of your content in the past 'for free' so decided to join to make up for it. Or call it voluntary socialism. :) No guilt, no shame. Feeling pretty, might buy a new sci-fi novel or two.

Anonymous

I'm supporting you as both a creator and very explicitly, a person. This is harder for you than you can put into words and I'm so sorry it's happened. Your last post sent me to pay for your patreon and buy both of your books - things I had wanted to do that I hadn't done because I kept going back and forth on whether or not I had enough money for it. I'm not much of a person to monetarily support people because of my financial situation, and I realize I'm a drop in the bucket compared to everyone else that supports you, but you created content that I really enjoyed and moved me to look out for more. I can't thank you enough for choosing to quit creating video content - I love your videos deeply, and I'm so sad I won't be able to watch any more, but that will never outweigh how much this has hurt you and how bad this has been as of late to do. You'll be staying a permanent fixture in my budget for as long as I can manage it, and I'm paying to see you (and your staff) rest properly and choose whether or not to come back with any sort of content Please take care of yourself.

Josie

Don’t beat yourself up about trying to “add value” here. Take however long you need to sort shit out, I’m happy to continue to throw a few bucks a month in the pot while things work out. Please take a break if you need it ❤️

Anonymous

I want to support you in whatever you do next. Happy if I'm now funding your writing habbit. I'll keep with this patreon or move my sub to another one if you need.

Anonymous

Don't worry about us. We support you, but you don't owe us your mental health and sanity. If you had only told us you were taking an indefinite hiatus, that would be enough. Please don't preoccupy yourself with what we or anyone else thinks of you. You are a whole person whose value and worth does not hinge on any outside party. I know it's probably hard to remember that right now, but it is an essential truth. The reaction you get and don't get from others reflects on no one but themselves. Worry only about keeping safe and sane, and those of us who support you will still be around if you decide to share your creativity and wit with us again in the future, which of course is up to you.

Anonymous

I'm glad to hear you reflect on the last post. Sorry to hear that you are still feeling this chaotic, I hope you can work things out. The business part of all this is of course not a public matter but i really hope you can continue to at least write. Is the reviewbombing still that bad, that you feel that your name is toxic? I would hope the more mainstream success means more people who don't care about your YouTube and Twitter lives would outweigh them. Sorry for this kind of post commenting on your private matters, but hearing that things have gotten this bad for you has legit upset me, and i just wish this was a nightmare.

Anonymous

So far I've enjoyed everything you've created, and will continue to be subbed to your Patreon until and beyond your next venture. One thing I've learned in the past several years is that many people find it so much easier to attack their allies for minor transgressions because they feel so powerless taking on the real challenges. It becomes like an addiction, a quick bump of catharsis, and then it's on to the next 'enemy'. It's not sustainable, but it's going to continue to hurt the people who don't deserve it along the way. Take your time, find the next thing you want to create, and go for it. Plenty of us will be around still. And if you find yourself wanting to live a quiet life in the countryside away from us all, I wouldn't blame you for that either. You've taken 10 lifetimes worth of spite and hate from people who could never stand up to one millionth of the scrutiny.

Anonymous

Every path is a path forward. First and foremost, take the path that's right for you.

Millie

I know I sure as hell am going to read your next book, and I ended up buying the last one 3 times (gifts). I hope you can get to a place where things are okay, content creation or no, this whole situation is awful and wildly underserved.

Anonymous

Yep, just hug-esque goodwill here. Virtual hug if that's what you're into; respectful head nod if that's more your deal. Wishing you well, not that that means a fucking thing except that here's one more person who doesn't think you're a piece of trash. Take care.

Anonymous

Take all the time that you need. We are here for you regardless.

Anonymous

Whatever works for you, works for us.

Anonymous

I don't think your tone was unreasonable. Again: you don't owe me anything

Anonymous

I am planning on staying here as a pledge as long as you need pledges, regardless of what you do or don’t post. I really hope there are enough people who are making the same choice that you can be allowed to simply rest.

Anonymous

<3 imo you don't even need to keep us updated. i am personally interested in how you're doing and what the process of pulling yourself out of this particular hell looks like, so if it helps you to share that, i think it might help other people more than it seems like, but i can't fathom expecting it of you. for what it's worth, i also don't think your last post was unhelpful or not worthwhile at all. <3

Anonymous

Lindsay....it's OK. You're going to be OK. You may not believe me but you are going to be ok. Just take care of yourself please.

LavastormSW

Yeah, that topic really seems like a minefield, but I would be interested in watching and appreciating those videos!

Anonymous

If JK Rowling can still write under her real name, so can someone who isn't actually harming anyone. The book community does not latch on to the author the same way YouTube latches on the creator. People will appreciate those books and never hear a word about the person behind them. Heck I've met countless people who read Hank Green's books without even knowing he did anything outside writing. Do what you are passionate about and people will follow. The hateful are a tiny but loud group who will one day run out of steam anyway

Anonymous

No matter what, Lindsay, I will root for you! Don't give up!

Anonymous

Your name is NOT toxic to anyone who matters. So don't let this keep you from writing. Seriously. You are being fooled into thinking the howler monkeys throwing poop are anything more than a vocal minority who will very soon get distracted by something else shiny and move on. Take all the time you need, but this is not the end of your good name. You just need space, and you will realize that.

Anonymous

As someone who stumbled across your YouTube a number of years ago, I can honestly say you forced me to think differently about some things and even though I didn't always agree with you I always appreciate your voice. Take the time and space you need. I, like many others, will continue to support you here for as long as I am able.

Anonymous

I appreciate the update. I hope things get better for you.

Śéáń

I've nothing revelatory to say here but just feel compelled to say.. something. You're genuinely a massive inspiration to me personally, and I'm really sorry to see everything unravel in the past few months due to a deranged mob mentality that clearly had it's foundation built long before the latest inciting incident. I don't blame you for wanting to say "screw all of this" and at the same time be at a loss as to what it means to do so. I hope to see more of your work, no matter what form it takes. You personally changed the way I view media, and I can't think of a non-overparasocial way to express my gratitude for that other than this comment, which is already stretching it as I continue to type. I wish you well Lindsay. Happy to stick around until you find a path forward, no matter where it takes you. Love from Ireland.

Anonymous

As a fan, I'm gonna stick around here until you kick me out! (Please don't kick me out!)

Anonymous

You are an amazing person

Anonymous

By the way, I loved Axiom's End.

Anonymous

Hey - first time commenter, and also last week was the first time I became a Patreon subscriber. I'm happy to say that I've enjoyed hearing your opinions (even if we aren't 100% in sync because who wants that anyway). I've spent hours watching and sharing your content - content that no doubt took you weeks/months/years to create. And content that your colleagues and employees have spent lots of time curating, posting, and assisting in its creation. And I decided to become a Patron just a couple of weeks ago, and I'll remain a Patron for as long as I can. Because you are allowed to be who you need to be, when you need to be it. You're allowed to be a human that makes mistakes (however small). Did you drive under the influence and kill three families? Did you defraud people out of their life savings in a decades-long Ponzi scheme? Were you aware of and complacent in a government's genocidal crimes against humanity? I don't know you, personally, but I don't believe any of these things apply to you. And while not everyone on this planet has baggage of that extreme nature, every single one of us has skeletons in their closet, or is ashamed of something they did, or feels bitter when things are unfair. Just remember that your life is worth more than the content you make, you have so much more meaning than what can be Googled about you. Whatever you choose to do, and whoever you choose to be, is so much more important and valuable than who you are today. Two months from now, or forty years from now. Give yourself some grace, and take care of yourself. <3

Anonymous

As so many have said, I continue to support you here out of gratitude for all the joy you've brought me. (Truly, just the perfection of the Omegaverse video is worth a couple bucks a month for a very long time.) I care about you very much in that parasocial way we do things and I want what's best for you and your employees.

RiotingPacifist

So i only just found your content, and NGL completely out of the loop as to why you have haters and what not, but I doubt your name is as toxic as you seem to think, outside of your patreaon posts, I've only heard positive things about you. Also I doubt many patreons(ers?) would care if you took some time away from the content mines and figure out the best decisions for you and your team. Twitter & Youtube comments will still be here in X weeks/months.

Anonymous

At this point, I contribute to your patreon as a monthly tip jar for the excellent content that you've kept public. It’s value to me to go back to those essays, respectfully agree or disagree, have a laugh or refresh my understanding of media analysis. Those fans that are hurt have the option to no longer support you, hopefully without spraying vitriol at you. Those detractors will remain detractors no matter what, whether you heel turned your opinions or disappeared from the platforms quietly or “professionally” or brutally honestly. It’s a godless platform where faceless personas can treat other faceless personas as literally as possible. Like a photo in a dartboard, devoid of life. I understand the problems this has likely caused in your personal relationships on top of professional ones, and I sincerely hope that they can all be resolved without more pain. But, yes, the nightmare continues. I can only implore, as another faceless persona, that you don’t let us (or them) contribute to it. At least, to the best of your ability. I know that’s asking a lot after you’ve been abandoned or eaten by your community. I know, I really do.

Anonymous

You're a writer, an artist, a creator, and more. Your name is not toxic. Your work is not toxic. Give yourself time. But your voice is a gift.

WJ ZAV

Lindsay, please don't follow that narrative that YOU did something wrong. We weren't upset at you. We were upset at the situation. You made the right call to quit YouTube. And those "detractors" can't be reasoned with anyway. And there is absolutely no wrong in sharing your pain. There are many here who genuinely think you are a smart and amazing woman.

Anonymous

I've watched you for years. Putting your milquetoast banal observation on Disney movies playlists on repeat, so you've so eloquently put it, for me through some really shitty medical diagnosis and treatments. Your work has mattered. When you announced that you was leaving YT, I completely understood why and immediately came here to sub and continue supporting someone who through their work supported me. And I'll keep supporting you even if this is the last update you make. I'll buy your books even though my brain broke and I struggle to read novels now. Even pre-ordered your first one so I could get your autograph and cheered when you got on the NYT best seller list because you fucking deserve it. You've got people here that support you and will continue to support you. We see the value of the body of your work. And we want you to be healthy and happy first and foremost instead of stressing to keep fitting a mold that isn't working anymore. Rest. Recover. Come back if it fulfills you. Don't if it doesn't. I'll still be watching your old playlists and subbing here no matter what.

Anonymous

Best of luck with what you decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you. Make the most of it, Lindsay! Fuck the detractors!

Anonymous

As far as I'm concerned you have nothing to regret. You are upset and hurt and have every right to express that. And as upsetting as it may be to hear about I'm personally more than happy to accept it. I can't stomach the thought of anyone suffering in silence let alone someone I very much admire.

Anonymous

I’m so sorry that you are going through this. It has been heartbreaking to see how you have been treated. You haven’t done anything wrong. You have been so honest about the pain you are experiencing and you never need to apologize for that. There are so many people who support you and are rooting for you. Please take all the time you need.

Anonymous

You know, I don't give nearly enough to this Patreon. I also don't recall ever asking for anything in return. You've given me so much to think about and so much enjoyment, I am upping my pledge to $1 a day for as long as I can sustain that. It's not nearly enough. Hang in there; you will make it if you do just 1 thing: just keep going.

Anonymous

I hate that bad-faith detractors have driven you from something you are genuinely great at and once loved. I'll keep buying books, or watching videos, or whatever else it is you choose to do.

Anonymous

I don't know you personally, so I don't get to make authoritative statements on your state of mind. But the fact that you regret your last post, which was an honest and well-contextualized communication, coupled with all you are and have been going through, leave the impression that you really need to take some time away from these responsibilities and public demands any way you can. You have a contract and employees - is there any legal (medical?) status you can invoke to freeze your responsibility? The cashflow appears (from the outside) to be somewhat secure for now; if there is any possibility of taking sick time, now might be a good time for it. I realize this may be the most obvious advice in the world and also that there are a million possible reasons why it may not be feasible, but I do want to encourage you to consider it on the off chance that you have simply been blind to some options. Good healing, Lindsay.

LavastormSW

I'm so sorry this is happening to you Lindsay. I can't even imagine what you're going through. I joined your Patreon just a few days ago and will continue to support you for however long you need. You don't deserve what's happening, your videos are some of my favorite video essays out there and even though I don't know you personally, you seem like a good, genuine person. I do hope you keep writing, although I understand that right now that's very hard and you may be reluctant to continue. I absolutely love your series - seriously, it's so good. But I will accept it if you can't continue. I know there is a lot of hate out there, and you may not even see this message, but from the bottom of my heart I hope things improve for you. I hope time away from being a public figure on the internet will allow you to start healing. I will continue to support your Patreon even if you go completely silent and never do anything with it again. Please don't feel pressure to, either. Those who want to support you will, even without getting anything in return. I will.

Anonymous

Lindsay, there was nothing wrong with what you wrote. If JK Rowling or Orson Scott Card can still have careers after being openly transphobic or homophobic, respectively, I think your career is going to be fine. Take all the time you need, but more importantly, please see a therapist who can help you process all this trauma.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I may have dragged my feet in becoming a patrone, but, now that I am, I promise you, I'm not going anywhere. I don't care what you put out, whether it's videos of you building Legos, learning to cook jambalaya, or you gardening, or if you decide to just not put out anything. I want to support you, and that's all that matters.

AGES

Wait i get content for being a patron? I just like giving you money. *throws money at screen*

Alex Andra

Lindsay, we don't give a shit about the content, and you are entitled to have and share your feelings. You do what you need to. Don't apologize.

Anonymous

While it's really tempting to say that if you don't finish writing the Noumena series I'll Simply Perish, the truth is that you're a human being and it's more than enough that you're letting your fans know you're out there. I'm really hoping you can take care of your mental health because I don't think humans were designed to be able to handle harassment at a social media scale. We all dare about you, even if it's in a deeply parasocial way, and even if the assholes are louder, there are a ton of us who will support you when and if you decide to reemerge.

Anonymous

Hey, I hope this doesn't come off as insensitive to your team, but it's okay to just quit. You don't have to liveblog being in a terrible state to add value. I'll hang on as long as I can to give your team some transition time, there will continue to be revenue from many of your videos, and your team are skilled, talented people in a hot labor market. They will have a plan after this. Hopefully some of your patrons might even have some routes for some of them? Guys? Anyone hiring social media positions?

Anonymous

I love your work and will support it in any form it takes. But I also think it's okay to take time away. I'll keep donating on here. You focus on your mental health. You are adored by many, I would not be the thinker I am today without you. I want you to be happy and safe FIRST. It's what we owe you for all the wonderful things you've given us. The only thing you owe anyone right now the care you owe to yourself. You are very loved.

Anonymous

Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. I didn't sign up to Patreon to get added value, I signed up as an acknowledgement of your existing value. It's clear that what you choose to post here is not private among us and can be subject to just as much scrutiny as anything else, which is a great shame. My continued subscription is back payment for the years of enjoyment and education I've had from your existing ouvre. Speaking for myself, I would unilaterally release you from all sense of obligation to this platform and "community" if I could. I have no interest in telling you what you should or shouldn't do; I can only tell you that I trust you. I seek no justification for your choices, nor apologies. I ask nothing from you at all. I hope that you find peace and healing. You are worthy and valid, inherently. Thank you for all that you have done. May whatever you go on to do be blessed by whatever powers in the universe might be empowered to offer blessing.

Anonymous

I disagree. I care a lot about the content. But she's already given us so much that I can easily justify continuing to be a patron on backlog content alone. :)

Anonymous

If it helps, I've been in the publishing world for about 15 years and it's important to remember that what appears to be universally known on the Internet is still pretty rare knowledge out in the world. Maybe a bunch of your initial readers were coming to your book because of your online rep, but 18 months and 2 well-reviewed and well-blurbed books later you are likely way less dependent on your online work to sell your books than you might think. (The return of conferences and conventions, I hope, later this year will also help that enormously.) (In fact while writing that I just realized I haven't bought TotD yet, so let me fix that real quick...okay I'm back) All of that said, I want to add to the chorus of saying I'm so sorry this thing you liked has been taken from you. It sucks. The toxicity is everywhere--there are just roving mobs who will cut the heads off any sunflowers that dare poke their faces above the field, and it's increasingly become an awful place to be any kind of creator, online or offline. I've been a fan of your work for years and I'll continue to follow your career, wherever you choose to go next. Otherwise...you will endure this. There will be a time that it is in the past and it doesn't make you as hurt and angry as it does now. But for now, I'm so sorry. I'll be there to be part of your audience whenever and wherever you decide to do more work for audiences. And if you decide not to create for a long time that's fine too. Be well, and put your own well-being first.

Anonymous

Share as much as you want, but only what you want. As far as I am concerned you can even post things that are filled with "rage and bile." Do whatever you feel most comfortable with and will help you feel the best emotionally. I highly recommend buying a ton of dishes/ mugs at a local second hand store and throwing them at a brick wall or concrete floor. (please wear safety goggles and clean up any debris)

Neale Genereux

The value you can add to this Patreon account right now is taking the time you need to recover, and decide what you want to do next!

Anonymous

I've been reading Truth of The Divine this last week. I absolutely loved Axiom's end. I reread the last chapter - the hospital scene - so many times. Truth of The Divine is something else, though. I have been suffering severe PTSD for years, and Truth of The Divine makes me feel so seen. I am not finished yet, but the book means so much to me. I know a little of how you are suffering, of what the trauma of this is doing to you. I see you, too. And no matter what you decide, you have my support and my undying respect. And I hope that can go some way to balancing the noise of unwarranted and irrational hate and vitriol.

emelsi

Every single thing you have said over the last 12 months has seemed eminently reasonable to me. Twitter is a terrible platform and I consistently see posts from people I have blocked (I know because I go to block them and the UI offers to let me Unblock them - why did I see their post in the first place then?) Anyway performative leftist righteousness falls for right wing bad faith agitators every time and it's exhausting to watch it, I can't imagine how hard it is to be in the crosshairs for the better part of a decade.

Anonymous

Lindsay, you have a right to your feelings and your feelings are valid. In the vernacular of today's youth - fuck the haters, they don't care about you anyway. You don't need to justify yourself to them. You don't even need to justify yourself to us. Please don't feel you have to worry about doing what is best for you or that you need to provide some "value" for us. Right now, you having some time to work on your health and happiness is the "value" to me. Whatever you choose to do, I will keep paying my $2 to support you and your business -- consider it payback for all the years I watched your NC videos on CA with the ad-block on 😉

Anonymous

Your name isn't toxic, Twitter fuckery doesn't define your image or legacy, and your writing has only grown and sharpened. I finished "Truth of the Divine" days before the previous post and was gutted in all the right ways. Your transition away from Youtube was clearly forecast, and your staff and team of on-camera talent can more than carry on with you stepping away. You've built a great production company, let the team seize the reins. I was definitely sad to read the hurt and anger in your previous post, combined with recent eps of MusicalSplaining its clear how much you're hurting. Take time away, find other avenues to rebuild your spirit, keep working on Noumena #3 because you can't leave me in this agony. "Spring will come again."

Anonymous

I said it on twitter, but I wouldn't blame you for never going back to that cesspool of bad takes so I'll say it here too. I hope you can find somewhere that does you better than the internet did. Somewhere you can have rest, maybe even find a bit of peace away from the bullies, jerks, and [insert assorted swears]s we have here. Sending all the good vibes your way. <3

Anonymous

I've gone through 1% of what you've gone through--and it took years to recover. If you need to vanish for a while to heal, don't feel bad or apologize. Go! Find your squee. Banish the Dark Lyndsay (modernly gray, lets be honest). If you ever feel like creating videos again, the internet will still be here. If you don't, I hope you find joy. It might seem impossible, but it's out there somewhere.

Anonymous

You should make a tier with a description along the lines of "in return for my subscription, I don't want or expect anything from you". It seems like many people feel that way.

Grace

You've been a positive influence on my life for years, but I only started supporting you on patreon because of your last post. You've been giving so much for so long that I thought it was high time I started giving back. I'm sorry that you have to go through this crap, especially publicly. Please don't apologize for doing what you need to do to take back control of your life. Please give yourself some grace, even if it doesn't feel like anyone else is. Your value as a person isn't defined by what any of use randos think, please just do what's right for you.

Anonymous

Keep writing. Your book sells really well here, and people know nothing about your channel or this mess. They just like your books for what they are.

Anonymous

The last post only made me angry with how volatile and harmful people can be for no good reason. Do what you need to. I'm here and will be. I can't give a lot but I will be here. Your videos opened the door to so many amazing creators for me and that means the world to me. You got this and lots of love from another weird community that loves your content.

Anonymous

As an author myself it was a very difficult decision to use my real name when publishing my books. A pseudonym or pen name is perfectly reasonable. I have a friend that writes reverse hahram furry romance novels and uses a pseudonym because her daughter just doesn't need that kind of attention.

Anonymous

I've been using adblock on youtube for years so honestly I owe you the $2.

Anonymous

If it's not possible on Patreon (I understand they enforce rewards, etc.) Let us know other ways we can support you without that pressure and obligation attached. I truly want to show my support but don't want it to weight on you. Obligation is exhausting. You have not done anything wrong. I'm sorry people have led you to believe that lie.

Anonymous

We're here for you, Lindsay. I mean that not just in the sense that we support you and care how things turn out for you, but in the sense that we are here because you are who you are. Maybe you can't please all of the people all of the time, but you're not supposed to. I'm just sorry (and angry) that some shitty people have found a way to hurt you badly enough that you need to retreat. They, in the words of Maggie Gyllenhaal, can suck a fuck. Try to remember that there are a bunch of non-shitty people who are unabashedly on your side, and will listen to you vent and scream as long as you have to, because a media world without Lindsay Ellis in it is a poorer one indeed.

Anonymous

I wasn't planning on going anywhere no matter what you decided to do. Chill and heal. None of your fans feel owed to anything from you.

Anonymous

Oh and your name is never toxic. Toxic people hurt you, but you are also loved by many, many fans. Your books are awesome and I loved them. Please take care of yourself.

Anonymous

I’m so saddened that people continue to hurt you.

Anonymous

Not sure the best way to be supportive than to just say, you have my (our) support. A lot of us anyways. And many of us aren’t here contingent on you producing something of value.

Anonymous

I'm sure you'll figure something out and it will end up being great.

Malini Correa

I absolutely respect all of what you're saying. Do whatever you and your coworkers need to do. Whatever content you put out or help to put out, I will eagerly enjoy, and if you decide to step away from the online entirely, I will be happy you're taking an important step for your own health and happiness. Additionally, I am reading Truth of the Divine right now, and it's incredible. You have robbed me of my normal sleep schedule but at least I feel smart while reading it, along with feeling like all my most basic alien-monster fangirl instincts are being satisfied. You're an incredible writer, non-fiction and fiction!

Anonymous

As someone who has been a patron for years and followed your work since the very beginning (as well as being a thirtysomething with my own struggles with depression), I think the internet + where your mental health is right now are working together to distort the facts-- particularly this perceived "toxicity" of your name and work. My primary reaction to your last post was a sense of relief that you were going to distance yourself from the internet and social media. I'm happy to stay a patron and would give freaking *back payments* for all the years of content I've enjoyed. As many have said, those of us who are still here don't feel entitled to more "content" from you, we want you to feel safer and healthier and create on your own terms.

horrovac

No pressure. We have your back. We love you. It's gonna be fine. Just get well before trying to decide anything. I have been through similar crises several times (and am hopefully on the upward dive towards the surface), and I know you won't be able to accept this (as I can't, even though I know it's true), but: it's not your fault. Not you are the defective one, they are. It does not mean anything - it's just a group dynamic, the trigger for all this hullaballoo is piddling and ridiculous. Shots are fired constantly in the internet, and it was just your turn to catch the bullet. Again, I know how difficult this is to accept, and work with, but it hurts only because you let it hurt, it's because it comes from people who you thought you were close to, but they are not your companions, they were your followers, and now they are following the group that is attacking you. The silent majority - people like me, who have never tweeted anything in your direction or even know about the social media sites you were frequenting, appreciate you and your work deeply. Don't worry. Just get well.

Anonymous

Please don't let us stress you out. We're here for you and we don't expect anything.

Rosie Solomon

I'm so sorry :( hope you're okay x

Anonymous

Please consider talking to a therapist about this and your feelings. I am worried about you. Your feelings are valid. What happened to you - you did not deserve. I’m pulling for you.

Viera Galikova

be kind to yourself, Lindsay

phastinemoon

I promise, the anger, sadness, and hurt I felt was NOT YOUR FAULT! I only feel sympathy and empathy for your pain. I feel fear because I don’t want anything to happen to you and know that I have no control. But that’s not your responsibility. Please - do not feel any obligation to post updates or DECLINE to post updates, just on the basis of “what will everyone think”. Do what you need to feel safe and comfortable, and just know that, even if we only know you through your content, we care about you as a person BECAUSE your content has a lot of you in it.

Anonymous

I'm actually a little pissed that your post got shared outside of Patreon. Seems that someone both wants to support you financially and also ruin you. That's one fucked up layer cake. We've got your back. I'm keeping my pledge running. I haven't bought the new book yet, due to the terrifying "to-read" stack next to my bed, but I'll do that today. (I am looking forward to reading it.)

Anonymous

You're name isn't toxic and you don't own anyone - and for sure not your attackers - a proof that running a business cost money. Just take your time to heal. I'm not sure to what portion Patreon is paying that bill, but I'll stay and even doubled my pledge.

Rachel

Hi Lindsay, I obviously don't know you personally so please feel free to disregard this message if I'm off base. However, purely from the tone of this post and the last one, I am genuinely concerned about your wellbeing. If it's at all possible for you to hand some of this business stuff off to someone else in your company or your husband so that you can take time away to get help, I think that would be beneficial. I mean this in the kindest and least judgmental way possible, I just want you to be okay. All best, for real x

Anonymous

Reading how angry and hurt you are is really difficult. Your fans and followers I know want to help and I hope you can read what they say without dismissing them. I’m sorry you’re going through this, sorry you are a target but, as someone said above, you will never please them. Your name, your content aren’t toxic. They are.

Anonymous

As wildly unhelpful as it is to say, I hope you feel better soon. Don't worry too much about content, you have my support for as long as you and your employees need.

Anonymous

Here since the Nostalgia days and will always be here for you

Anonymous

I will reiterate what I said on the last post: I'm here no matter what you do, even if what you do is nothing, be that for the foreseeable future or forever. All I want is for you to regain some semblance of peace and safety, and I will not be upset if that means completely walking away. I hope most of the people here, at least, feel the same.

Anonymous

You don't owe us (your supporters) anything, but you owe yourself happiness. Take as much time you need, and then take as much more time as you want. And if that time is forever, that's okay too, as long as it makes you happy.

Anonymous

I have been waiting for a fanfiction to update for two years, so take your time to figure it out. Also weird suggestion, you could remove your work from you name, so have a pen name or a artist name, to help separate yourself from your work. I think I am gonna do something like that after I finish school.

Deanna

I know it seems like the people reading your books would all be aware of this and think you're somehow toxic but I promise most readers are not aware of or concerned with Twitter or YouTube discourse. I know thats cold comfort for everything else going on but you're name isn't toxic to most people. Its a loud minority. We are here and I got an arc of your book on one of the worst days of my life and you gave me comfort. You've been nothing but a positive in my life and many others. More than any of this, you matter and your work speaks for itself. I'm here to stay.

Anonymous

We just want you to be healthy. I don’t think you have to worry about your name affecting your books. After all, actual problematic genre authors like OSC, MZB, and JKR still sell books. And you’re a better writer.

Anonymous

Don't let the bastards grind you down... *sigh*

Anonymous

I can't think of anything helpful to say because I honesly have no clue what to advise but I'm sorry that this is going on. You're damned either way so I'm tempted to say, just try and do what you find fulfilling but then again I have no idea it's hard to feel fulfilled when you are being dragged so publicly. I hope you work things out. Much love 💕 xxxx

Anonymous

On the topic of your post upsetting those of us who support you and like your work...what happened to you was awful and cruel and unjust. It's OK for people to be upset when they see something like that happening to another person--it's not selfish to inform us that horrible things exist in the world, and we will all be OK regardless of what you do or don't choose to share.

Anonymous

I don't think you're name is toxic... take all the time you need to work things out for yourself. Here's some dude who talks about something that is super duper relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvYcunuF3Eo

Ethan Good

As far as I'm concerned, my patreon subscription is backpay for years of free education and entertainment. You don't have to do anything here. I'll still support you 100% (and buy your next book if/when you find the strength to write it).

Anonymous

Social media is a poison. Human brains cannot handle it, are not programmed to handle it, and the real fault is with everyone pretending that anyone who points that out is just crying "cancel culture" or should just log off or whatever the hell. That's not how it works because it's not how human brains work, and anyone acting like the only people who care about it are boomers whining about social justice is already in too deep. They have already drank the poison, and the poison is part of them now. We can all hope they someday purge the poison, but it's nobody's fault, and nobody's responsibility, but their own. You can and should take as much time as you need. I know saying you shouldn't care about what people elsewhere say isn't helpful -- like I just said, not how human brains work. But I hope you can take some joy from the sheer number of people showing you support, saying that we know how fucked this situation is, saying that we understand where you are and why you would quit. I hope you can at least feel like you're not alone and that the entire world is not actually against you.

Joel Keene

Love you Lindsay

Anonymous

I'm not supporting you with much, but i would honestly just give you the money to keep the content online. You were very important to changing my mind on some things and helping me put my own thoughts into words better. I don't worship you or expect you to perfect, but i do want you to take what money I'm giving as a thank you for the good you have done for me and others, without obligation to continue the thing that causes you pain.

Anonymous

basically what everyone else is saying. You're amazing. this isn't fair. Im sorry you're going through this. Take all the time you need to recover and figure out what you want to do that's best for you, even if that means you do something completely and wholly different than what you and we expect.

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay I'm so sorry you're in this situation it just sucks. Your work and especially your books mean a lot to me and I'm currently writing my bachelor's dissertation on alternate history using your books as my main example! I hope you take all the time you need to figure out this situation in the way that's best for you and look after yourself!

Anonymous

Honestly, I wish your average person with any outsized influence at all cared so deeply about the way they present their message and thoroughly analyzed their impact but at the end of the day you're just a person. I tend to agree with other commenters that being knee deep in the sludge of social media has perhaps skewed your view. I know many who love your books and don't even have an inkling that there is any "history" associated with your name. As for your last post, I find it deeply funny (not sure that's the right word) that a post on a fan page meant for fans has managed to find its way to your detractors. They're paying... to be mad at you? The Twitter hoarde knows no bounds. As for being stressed about what to do next, I know I'm not the only one who is encouraging you just to unplug from it. We as supporters won't go anywhere, and you'll figure something out eventually. As much as you care for your employees, sacrificing your mental health on the pyre in the name of supporting them is obviously unsustainable. You feel like you've gotten yourself into a mess, now you must get out, but I think that puts the blame on you, as if it is you pouring kerosene on this fire. Indeed, just get well. Worry about us later, if at all.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I’m on your Patreon because I believe in you and I value your work. I want to continue to support you in anyway that makes you feel most comfortable and valued. You’ve got a friend/ally in me. I don’t plan to go anywhere anytime soon. If you need to take some time, I completely respect, support, and encourage that. I treat Patreon as a way to supporting creators I care about, not a quid pro quo for content. I’m here to support you. If that means one video a month or 1 post every two years. I’m down. You’re worth it.

Anonymous

i'm so sorry people have treated you so unkindly. your health -- mental, physical, emotional -- 100% comes before all else. a lot of us are rooting for you and hope you feel alright again; you deserve to feel peaceful and safe and happy.

Anonymous

Hey man, you’ve got thousands of people on here who like your work so much we’re happy to continue supporting you, video content or no. If it’s financially feasible, just take an extended break from being in the public eye in any way. Not sure what else to say except that we care about you.

Anonymous

For whatever this is worth, I genuinely hope you don't give up being a writer. The world is a brighter place with your work in it.

Anonymous

Seriously take all the time you need. You don't owe me anything. You deserve all the support, privacy, and rest that you need.

illves

Take the time and care you need. I do hope you keep writing. Selfishly I want to read more, but your work is a special voice and I've recommended it well outside those who know you from "online". I hope there's a path to you continuing there subject to a bit less of the toxicity and a bit more focused on your needs.

Anonymous

God there's already so many comments. Ok, well, putting this out there anyway: I also own a business with staff, and I know it's unpopular right now in many spaces to be The Management but I just want you to know there are others who understand. Employing people is expensive, way beyond what people often think. And while I am lucky to have every single person I have helping us, it is true that paying people equitably means not only a reasonable salary direct to them, but an additional 50% or so equivalent in taxes and cost of business. Again, this is fine! But a number like oh, say, 24k/month or whatever can be almost nothing in terms of paying full time staff. Obviously the employment thing is just one small facet of all *this*. I don't know why the discourse has glommed onto you like this, it's weird. But I support you stepping back, and I hope you keep writing because I've really enjoyed your books.

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay, I really appreciated your previous post and I appreciate your vulnerability. Unfortunately, the internet and social media don’t allow much space for vulnerability and imperfection. I have followed your work for years and something I think is really great about you is that you have learned from your mistakes despite them being made very very publicly. That must take incredible strength and courage. I look forward to the next chapter. Sending love and cyberhugs. Your parasocial friend, El

Anonymous

I honestly joined the Patreon just recently not expecting any new content and just wanting to help. There is a whole backlog of content and it looks like a lot of people want to support you for what you've already done. I hope you can take some time away and be able to start healing. I'm so sorry you had to go through all of this for so long with no time to process and I hope you will be able to get a true break soon.

Anonymous

Take your time. Think less about what you owe people. If I ever leave the house again to an appropriate event, I'll still wear my Team Lindsay pin.

Anonymous

Deep down, you know there was no way to avoid enraging them. They are looking for an excuse. It’s ok if you don’t know wtf to do, I would not know how to manage a business, symptoms of PTSD, literally having the livelihoods of people on my shoulders and also a hate mob at my door. I don’t expect you to. PTSD and hate mobs have this way of making you feel profoundly isolated, but I hope you’ll be able to see that you are not alone. Your patrons have your back. It’s fine, really. Big hug, you’ll get through this :)

Anonymous

I don't think it was selfish. I pay you money because your brain interests me, and there's nothing quite so authentic as emotions too bad to suppress. Every Frame A Painting didn't involve being on camera. Maybe you'll find a new form of video essay that works for you; maybe not.

Anonymous

We love you Lindsay, happy to support you in all times. I've been a fan since NC days on the website we don't talk about, and I'll always be a fan. My Patreon support won't change, please take your time to re-group.

Anonymous

Whatever internet people are doing, I feel confident that the NPR dads who enjoy your PBS shorts have no idea what anything on twitter means and still wouldn't if you spent an hour explaining it all to them. There is a future for you where you are happy and fulfilled, and you can get there. Take an internet message for what it's worth, but the tone of this post and the last is a little worrisome absent the full context of what you were feeling while writing and where those feelings came from. Please focus on your health and on getting to a good place.

Anonymous

You are awesome, no matter what.

Anonymous

As someone on the Autism Spectrum, I definitely understand the difficulty of finding words at times (I admit, not usually due to being (understandably) furious, but still...). I and many others are still here for you regardless of whether you're okay or not. We wish you well and hope things can feel better on your end, no matter what. And if this is what you call the end, we're gonna dance in the fire with you.

Anonymous

As someone who avoids posting comments on most forms of social media (even writing this now makes me feel a little twitchy), I just want to thank you for the effect you've had on my life: you were the first creator on YouTube I followed with any regularity, you taught me so much about media criticism and introduced me to so many films and musicals I'd not heard of, and you inspired me to be much more thoughtful about how I absorb works of fiction. I can't imagine ever canceling my patreon subscription given how much I owe you. That said, I'd also like to assert that people like me probably constitute the vast majority of your audience. Most of your viewers and readers don't tweet, know very little if anything about what happened on twitter, or don't pay attention to who is considered "problematic" or "canceled" - we just love your videos and books and podcast, even if we're not out there actively leaving comments about it. And even the most social media-engaged of us likely shrug and move along when they see people criticize you, since they don't understand where it's coming from and don't want to spend any time riling up obvious trolls. Twitter is a self-selecting, irrational horde of people who feel the need to jump on bandwagons and express moral superiority for clout in their little circles. They don't represent the vast majority of people who've seen and loved and been immeasurably affected by your content. I get the sense that you and a lot of your friends and colleagues tend to be very online, and that's only to be expected given the line of work you're in, but there are so many quiet supporters who don't really engage that way that it creates a very skewed picture of what the "discourse" surrounding your work actually is. The haters are never quiet, because their loudness is the whole point. I'm so sorry that these people hurt you and so angry at them for their monstrous behavior, especially since I know one hateful comment will always hit so much harder than a hundred positive ones. But in this case please know that your supporters outnumber the assholes by the thousands at the very least. We'll be here (many of us silently) to support you no matter what the assholes do.

Anonymous

Wishing the best for you and yours. I've just picked up my copy of Truth of the Divine, looking forward to reading it!

Anonymous

I do hope you keep writing I have been loving your books so far. But I understand if you need time (lord knows these past two years have been shit for everyone). But we do value you as a person. :)

Anonymous

I'd LOVE that long post about monthly cost breakdown, FWIW.

Anonymous

Lindsay, for $2/month don't worry about it. You have to stop being so hard on yourself. Your name isn't toxic, don't listen to the deplorables. Believe me, I know toxic and if you were really toxic we wouldn't support you. Also, you are a brilliant person. You're not a dancing monkey. Just because my credit card throws $2 your way on the first of the month doesn't mean you have to push content. Take time off, recover, find what makes you happy and do that. That's how you can give us value for our support.

plum pewter

I’ll stay a patron until you heart this comment ;)

Anonymous

Take care of yourself 💜 I believe you'll find the right path for what you need!

Anonymous

The people attacking you can't even handle ONE person standing up to their shite so you owe us AND them nothing at this point. You're a gem and we support whatever decisions you make in the future x

Anonymous

As a big fan of yours, and a Patreon subscriber I'd like to make it clear you still don't owe me a thing. ,,💝

Anonymous

In a matter like this, when you find yourself on the edge of an emotional meltdown (or even undergoing one), you don't need to justify telling everybody "I need to stop." It may be permanent, it may not, but that's up to you and you don't owe anybody an answer of if or when it happens. Take care of yourself. We'd like to see you continue bringing your snarky wit to critique our favored media, but I'm fairly certain we don't want to find out that it's also killing you. If we have to choose between you suffering a breakdown trying to make another video and taking a break for your own mental and emotional health, I know I'd rather have you take the break, even if that means you might never start again.

Anonymous

There’s no need for illusions anymore. Maintaining the illusion against the ever fickle rabble, just to do something as harmless as analyzing media with a slight lean towards politics and history has drained you. It’s redundant for me to say it because you know that it’s not worth it. I’ve scrolled through about 300 comments and they have all, without exaggeration, been supportive. And it makes sense given the platform, but also because *you are a good person.* We don’t need illusions, and most importantly you don’t need illusions.

Anonymous

I have been thinking about you a lot since your last post. I feel what has happened to you has been very unjust and I wish there was more I could do to help you, but you have my patreon support as long as you keep it available - whether you make more content or not. I think the vast majority of us here feel the same way. Take all the time you need to figure out it.

Anonymous

I'm a huge fan, I think you have been handling this very difficult situation well and I really hope this works out for you.

Anonymous

All I can say is that I hope you're wrong; the nightmare will end, and I hope it's sooner rather than later.

Anonymous

There's nothing I can add that hasn't already been said by hundreds of others but your situation shames all of us who are about the online spaces you've been a part of, and indeed helped forge. You shouldn't apologise for being emotionally open - this is your pain and you deserve to express how you see fit. Any pain we feel is because it's too late to do anything about this.

C

To hell with the haters. I've loved your content going back to when you were the Nostalgia Chick. If you need to retire from the whole deal, you go for it. Take care of yourself. And if you ever decide to come back after a few years (after the detractors grow the fuck up) in whatever form strikes your fancy at that time, your fans will say "hot damn, she's making stuff again! Sweet." And if not, we'll still remember the great video essays and posts.

Anonymous

Parasocial relationships suck. It's such a weird world knowing you feel for someone you've never met, but who has nonetheless influenced and entertained you. I have no illusions that your eyes will linger here, but I wanted to put myself down as one more soul who wants you to know you're in my thoughts, for better or for worse given the state of things right now. It's a little crazy the response your post has gotten--people seem to be acting like it's your funeral. I wish you could have some peace--I hope the internet machine will move on soon and forget you, so that you're left only with those who admire you.

Anonymous

Don't worry about writing the perfect update. We know. Let the feelings do their work even if it breaks some stuff. Remember you can't negotiate with a mob and you can't negotiate with time.

Rork

Hi Lindsay (or the person who'll read for you, I don't mind at all). I didn't react to the other post last month/year because it would be useless. I just say this : I love your work, the videos you made, and your persona in these videos, your commentaries about cinema, persons and so on. It would be very sad to not hear this voice in the future, because of toxic persons. - So first you could make your videos (and other ones you like but you deleted because toxic persons) and your channel as an "archive". This way no one can dislike or comment. No problem anymore. - second, make this channel "private" and only patreons can have a link to watch the channel. Not perfect. Then you could make new content and give us a direct link to the video (private) so people must pay to watch your content. Most toxic persons will disappear I think (maybe I'm wrong). - And third, make some text content from time to time here, to talk about cinema, litterature and culture. I know you don't have any juice about that anymore, but I would be so sad to have no news from you anymore. My point is : please don't let down (the word is strong and I don't want to be rude, but english is not my native language) people who like you and your work, and supported you through all these years, since the beginning, don't let the toxic persons who broke you win. Take your time to heal and come back later. Moana has failed, but the heart is not far way in the ocean.

Anonymous

I hope you can heal from your run-in with the cesspool of internet toxicity, and I hope you can rework your relationship with the public sphere and this won't be the last we hear from you! But if not, you've already made a full career's worth of brilliant content, and you paved the way for loads of other great creators - you will never not be a legend. Thank you! I'll keep my contribution here going until you turn it off.

Anonymous

Thanks, I think I'll stick around. If you do nothing but use my money to sit and breathe and see the next sunrise, it will be money well spent.

Anonymous

Take all the time you need. It’s okay to do so, and probably the best thing you can do

Anonymous

For what its worth, I love you and your work. Stay strong if you can. We can wait. Sorry you have to deal with all this nonsense

Anonymous

I never comment on stuff but I feel compelled to express how much your content means to me. I love your perspective and have learned so much from you. I am constantly sharing your videos and podcast with friends and just read your first book. It’s so easy for people to criticize and hate especially with minimal to no context but there are many of us who do support you and your amazing work. I hope we still get to see more from you in the future but take care of yourself and do what’s best for you.

Anonymous

Take time to heal. There’s so many people out here who loves you and just wishes you well.

Crescent Minor

Lindsay, I've been happy to support you with whatever I can since I was eleven years old. I do not consider it unprofessional to take a mental health break to replan your life. If that's what I'm paying for, that's what I'm paying for, I think I agreed to that. Don't worry about adding value for a while if that's not in the cards yet.

Anonymous

Seriously. I'd pay $2/mo for Angelina's tweets alone, and she's doing that shit off the clock.

Anonymous

Well, plenty of other people have written what I would, so I'll just say this: I'm not here to specifically see you on camera. I think you produce some great analysis, and I learn something new every time I see your content. If you decide to write it out from now on, or do a podcast, or even return to making videos, I'll partake regardless of the medium.

Diana.H.

You still have over 10 000 people ready to support you financially even tho they know for a fact you won't make any more content. Take a breather, go on a hike, throw away your phone. This situation is completely unfair and it completely sucks. I'm really really sorry for you. Take your time. It won't suck forever.

Anonymous

please do whatever you need whenever you’re ready. I’ll be here if/when/until you decide to come back, and I’ll be here if/when/until you take this patreon down.

Anonymous

For what it's worth, I appreciate the honesty and I'm not upset in the slightest. You have a right to be open about your feelings and doing so isn't inherently selfish. Quite the opposite honestly. You want to help us understand because you care about us and you care about being an open and honest human. If you didn't you'd just say nothing and bail.

Anonymous

Time off is months, not weeks. Maybe more. Your name is not toxic. The people who enjoy your writing will still enjoy your writing. Spend your days talking to real people.

Anonymous

You don't have any real obligation to your patreon members. If it adds even the slightest bit of discomfort to your life just pull the plug entirely. A bunch of internet assholes won't ruin your writing career or make your name toxic outside the internet where most people live. Anybody who wants you to keep doing things that make you unhappy so they can get content doesn't deserve it anyway.

Anonymous

Just repeating the others, but still. Please take all the time you need. You don't owe us anything.

Anonymous

I just joined your Patreon for whatever you do next whenever you do it. Take your time. I believe in you.

Anonymous

FWIW I think you have an incredible talent as a writer, and there are (although it may not feel like it) a LOT of people out there who neither know nor care about what happens on Twitter that will buy, that will read, what you write. I hope your publishers recognize that too. I'm glad you are taking care of yourself. You have my support for whatever you choose to do next.

Anonymous

I am a new subscriber to this Patreon. I joined because I think what happened to you is really shitty, I've been enjoying your content for years for free, and I want to put my money where my mouth is. I in no way expect anything, I'm doing this because I financially can afford to. Take a long ass vacation :) Also that previous post was perfect.

Dyce

I think at this point as long as you feel like you've covered the people who actually depend on you (I don't mean patrons or idiots online but the people you care about), you don't have to justify yourself to anyone else. Which is easy to say for someone like me, but I suspect that even if you never make another video again, there are a lot of people in the enarly 11k supporting you that will continue to support you in whatever you do. Take time to heal on your own schedule.

Anonymous

Your own mental health comes first. Take care of yourself.

Anonymous

I’m stickin’ around. I never saw Patreon as “money for content” proposition, but rather as a channel to get involved and demonstrate support and appreciation for people who have brought much joy and value into my life. We’re rooting for you. Connect when you need to; disconnect when you need to. Your health and sanity comes first. It’s been a rough year. Much love 💕

Anonymous

Much love and support, Lindsay <3

Troy B.

Social media is a flaming dumpster full of toxic kneejerk bandwagoners. And considering some of the truly, objectively awful people who've gotten a second chance in the public eye, my hope is that someone as smart, talented, not-awful, and sincere as you will get that chance as well, once the angry mob is distracted by something else shiny to shit on.

Anonymous

Fuck the haters. You’ve done tons of great work and the only disappointment I have with these two posts is that I won’t be seeing more of it on YouTube—and I’m *happy* to give that up since that’s what you need for your mental health. I will continue to be excited when I see your name on things, like the PBS series, and I will continue to enjoy whatever you *choose* to create and put out into the world; even if I don’t always agree with your views they always give me new perspectives to consider, and that’s extremely valuable in a world where nuance and subtlety and connection seem to have gone by the wayside. Please, do whatever you need to take care of yourself.

Anonymous

I feel like everyone who’s here at this point understands that they’re supporting you and your company without any promise of some sort of reward, and is ok with that. You don’t owe us your creativity, take *any* amount of break from Patreon that you need.

Anonymous

You are what’s most important. You don’t owe anyone content or any pieces of you. Focus on your healing, your happiness, your path and those who you love who will support you as the human being you are. Sending love, and sending hope.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I support you with my own money because I love and respect you as a human being. While your content brought me here, it's not what I'm paying for. I'm not going anywhere and I am so, so, so sorry for everything that you're going through/have had to deal with the last year. I hope that 2022 brings you some joy, even if it's as small as a pretty sunset. Take as much time as you need. Your mental health is FAR more important than anything and you deserve the time to heal. PTSD is a beast. Me and my financial support are not going anywhere and I believe in you. <3 Thank you for being so honest.

Anonymous

I firmly believe your name is not toxic and I hope once you recover - and take all the time you need - we will be able to enjoy your work in what ever format you will decide is comfortable for you. If it will be 5 years, so be it. I really appreciate what you do, I will also chime in on not being upset at all. Take care of yourself. You helped me to look on film and video media differently andI will keep up my contribution as long as I am able. Because I used adblock much earlier before I could contribute to patreon :D <3 Happy to give back :)

Anonymous

Lindsay, I have been a fan of yours for....wow...years now. It's funny, I found your channel way before the Hobbit video as a way to express how much I hated the Hobbit movies. Not just in a "holy crap those sucked" kindof way but in specifics. Film language specifics and the first video I think I watched of yours was the framing video for Transformers. My mind was blown. You were totally right, Megan Fox IS the only character with any back story or arc but she is the one we remember as a mindless bimbo because of the framing. I was hooked. A few years later the Hobbit video came out and I felt vindicated. Fast forward to this very year and I bore the living bejeesus out of my friends with my latest film critique or try to get some kind of conversation going when I can't figure out what went wrong with something and really wish that you would do a video about it (my latest one is why Birds of Prey was a colorful soulless trudge, but Deadpool is actually enjoyable). I also joke that you should start a "watch a film with an expert" business and you watch movies with people and explain why they are good. First on the list? No Country for Old Men. For the love of all that is holy I can't understand why everyone likes that movie. Anyway, now that I've gushed I just want to say that I will continue to support you how I can. I buy your books, I'll keep on giving on Patreon and whatever your new venture is, I'll support that too. You've taught me so much and brought me hours upon hours of joy and intelligent thought and I feel like I owe you. I also don't believe you are a hateful person so that makes it easier, but just know that there is some weird blue-haired girl in Colorado who won't shut the hell up quoting Lindsay about some film language thing or another. I'm still on Team Lindsay and support you in taking the time you need to get creative again, or if you don't then that is fine too. I'm still here, sending my money every month. If for nothing else than to show you that you aren't alone.

Anonymous

To be totally honest I don't think the people angry at you look up from twitter long enough to read many books lol. I really don't think this should keep you from writing, or feel like your name is toxic. They're just bored Very Online teens who will grow out of it, ( I mean I'm sure there are some Adults With Jobs in the mix but malignant obsession like this from someone over the age of like 18 is *exceptionally* sad and not to be taken seriously in the slightest). Just do you!

Anonymous

Like everyone else, I’m happy to continue supporting you with no content in return. Everything you’ve made has already been such a big part of my life, and I want to support you in the bad times as well as the good. I hope all this doesn’t take your writing from you too, but none of it matters more than your health. All I want for you is to have a better year than the last one, and to find some peace <3

Anonymous

former subscriber, drifted away, re-subscribed as a protest to the dogpile. Social media lets a tiny group of people metaphorically stand right next to you and shout into megaphones. That situation is horrible and exhausting but don't let them fool you into thinking that a small pack of trolls is representative of the broader population.

Anonymous

I am more than happy to pay you (and your team) to do nothing serious for a year or so and just mess about and experiment with new things. You have an amazing skillset and brains trust and while I'm pissed off how it came about I'm actually pretty excited to see what you and Angelina and the rest do outside the bullshit clicks machine. I 'm not here for the videos - I'm here for the stuff that comes out of your collective brains in whatever form that takes because it makes my world more interesting and feeds my brain. Short posts to the patreon, podcasts like Musicalsplaining, other things I can't conceive of. Like I said, I'm keen to see what comes next, when you're healed and if you still want to. No pressure, no debt, no obligation.

Anonymous

I was famous within a community, an online and real life community, which I spent 10 years in. I became a pariah, due to some jealous, hateful people telling outright lies about me and implying even more. Hell, maybe some of the sites set up to troll me are still up. Maybe I should go look? Anyway, I had to leave; it was the only way. I had to cut off all my interests, all my habits, and find completely new ones. I only have one friend from that whole period of my life. And then everyone from my therapist ("it sounds like fun") to my mom ("nothing online is real") didn't help. It was only recently I started to interact with online people again or use a consistent name. And it took years for me to not think just what you expressed in the last paragraph of your last post – I regret everything. As it turns out, I think you do owe me something but you've already done it. In the post before last, you closed one business. You're asking for financial support without trading value for money in your last post. You're telling me you're pondering how to start a new business - all within the framework of Patreon.You're not the only person to whom I am or have donated via Patreon, due to mental health, physical illness, even stage fright over posting a new video (which was worked on for a year and was indeed very good when it was delivered). You communicated clearly about what you will deliver for my money. That's what you owed me.

Anonymous

We are here for you. We love your content but we know that you're a good person who's been dealt a terrible hand. We will support you no matter what. As many have said - most of us don't have any clue about what's going on on Twitter and will never consider your name toxic. I scrolled through hundreds of comments on your last post and I was seeing so many people talk about how much value you've added to their lives. Mine as well. I have your Love Never Dies takedown in my "make me laugh" videos because it was so fantastically hilarious. I have your Phantom movie video as my "learn about film making" video. Yet if you walked away from everything to go sell homemade friendship bracelets on a beach somewhere for the next couple of decades - I don't think anyone here would whine about your content. We'd miss you, but we care more about you than your content. Let me say that again: we love your content, but *we care more about your well-being than getting new content.* Please do what you need to do to take care of yourself. We will be here for you, no matter what. ❤️

Anonymous

Just here to say that these people are really not representative of anything other than their worst impulses. There are many people who give zero shits about this stuff - your name isn’t toxic except to fools. I subscribed because I saw you being attacked, literally happy to stay here as long as that works for me and I am sure others are too. You don’t need to rush with working out what to do. 💚

Austen G

1. Many thanks to the comment moderator, I know your job is hard and I appreciate you. 2. Lindsay; Ellis; Internet Mom; you could have said AnYtHiNg in ANY tone and your h8rs would have said mean things. IMO your post upset people because it’s indicative of a bigger issue AND ppl know you’re unfairly targeted. 3. I usually ignore Patreon perks. I never watch Mia Mulder’s livestreams. You need to pay your bills like everyone else and you have employees, at least while they look for work elsewhere, and y’all don’t deserve to lose your income because of this nonsense. I’ll be here for as long as I can be.

Anonymous

It's insane how mean the Twitterverse is. I love your stuff, I think you're great. Hope you can carry on.

Anonymous

Also, I saw your paperback on the shelves in a small bookstore in the UK today. Having worked in the trade years back I know you don't get there if you don't count for something. Your name is only mud amongst a small cadre of fucknuts. I would be astonished if your publishers care about this.

Anonymous

Thank you for sharing this with us. I love your work and I'm sorry you've been going through this. This is an awful and difficult situation and I think you've shown a lot of strength and courage in how you've handled it. You have my continued support no matter where you decide to go from here.

TV4Fun

Fuck Twitter. It is so messed up how a bunch of bad faith trolls have so though thoroughly screwed up your life and career. I really hope things go better for you and remember there are plenty of us here who still love you ❤️.

Anonymous

It may be cliche to say, but I also believe it: there isn't a right way to grieve. Take your time, keep taking my money, and be well. I'll wait as long as you need for whatever new incarnation you and your business have.

Anonymous

For what it is worth, I joined your patreon at a price higher than what you've recently asked for because I have always valued your work. I have also sought out your work on PBS and other outlets because I enjoy what you create. I hope you're able to find sanctuary and peace of mind in amongst the many voices offering their support to you, because of you.

Anonymous

Based on your last post, I assumed you were done creating the work that this Patreon pays for — if not forever, then for a long time. I can only speak for myself, but I personally am fine keeping my pledge up with no further creative output from you. I really enjoy everything you’ve done, and I want to support you through this ridiculous ordeal. I hope you do what you need to recover and be well, and ignore justifying the patreon income, certainly for the near future (assuming that’s possible, of course)

Anonymous

Honestly Lindsay, as far as I'm concerned, you owe us nothing. I'm here to support you regardless of whatever content- or lack thereof- you produce, it won't change my mind. You've given us insightful, funny and fascinating content for years, and as far as I'm concerned, your community owes it to you to pay back some of that dedication, whether it be in kinder words or monetary support. You won't get it from everyone, as much as I wish that weren't true, but I'm not going anywhere.

Anonymous

Maybe I just don't hang out with assholes, but I've never heard your name dropped in real life without hearing that you did great stuff and that you're an awesome and refreshing voice. I know I'll have to break the bad news that you're going to fade in obscurity to quite a few others as the drama doesn't have the kind of outreach you might think. I've only heard about this because a bunch of people were concerned and sad to see you go, not because they wanted to know more about the drama or take you down a peg. I know it sounds like everyone on both ends is just up against you if you're only reading comment sections on youtube and twitter, but I don't think your name is toxic. It's certainly not to anyone with a critical mind. It's not to the kind of people you were talking to when you were making your content, often asking us to consider a new point of view and consider the social cost of entertainment, reconsider truisms or even make peace with Stephenie Meyer. Your actual audience is made up of people who understand and appreciate nuance... I like to think most of the people who enjoy your content can tell the difference between a bigot and a victim of... not even the so-called "cancel culture", but clearly just a hatemob of people with misdirected anger and seemingly no empathy.

Ctolm

I enjoyed your work for about 4 years before I started supporting you on patreon. Happy let that ride without any expectation of future work. Like solidarity-back-pay.

Anonymous

Meh, take a few years off. Don't nobody own you Lindsey.

Anonymous

You've been through so many of these cycles of reactions to things you've said (and it's rarely even a reaction to specific things you've said, those are usually just excuses to try to hurt you) I don't blame you at all for being hurt and angry. This has been going on for so many years. I recently re-watched your presentation about internet hate mobs you gave for xoxo. You have been under this strain for such a long time. You need a break and I'll stay on Patreon for as long as you have staff doing work for you and I have funds to continue. Keep writing books if that's something you can do right now - the people on Twitter who complain about literally everything you say weren't going to buy the books in the first place and they're not going to keep the rest of us from buying them.

Anonymous

I started supporting you on Patreon after your last post because I’m finally in a position to do so. I’m considering it back pay for enjoying your videos for years and your books. I have no expectations. Ultimately, people suck and whatever you want to do I’ll support you.

Eli Bildirici

For my part, and I think for many others here—I wasn’t mad so much as worried for you. We all want you to hang in and do what you need to do to get to a good place, content creation be damned. Take care of yourself—we’re rooting for you

David Arroyo

I was actually going to write a post about the last blog you wrote about the situation. But I had to finish writing for a project. But first, let me say that you should not apologize for your feelings and for being vulnerable. Those are yours and they are not meant to be edited if they help you express yourself. If they can't see the intention of the post and just focus on the mechanics of it then really that's on them. What I wanted to say in the previous post is a bit complex and I will try to be coherent. The internet sucks. But the reason why it sucks is so complex and yet it's simple. I am old enough to remember a life without the internet. I have seen it evolve over time. In ways, it has made things better with access to information the ability to be part of a community that you never had access to. But on the other hand, it has enabled the bile of humanity. It has given the excuse for people to become vicious, evil, and delusional. Maybe the pandemic has just enhanced everything like throwing a match on napalm. But even without it this is the trend it has been growing to. I was telling my wife that the horror of the internet is that the ability to grow as an individual has been stunted. I told her when I was 15 years old I stole a girl's diary. It was stupid and something I have felt bad about for my entire life. To steal someone's most intimate moments and pretty much violate their vulnerability just brings me shame. I am not a 15 year old anymore. I have grown into an adult that thankfully sees how wrong that was and strives to be more caring of others. But imagine having that moment frozen forever, to be judged for something that happened 40 years ago, to be thought of as that horrible teenager and face the wrath of people who have never known you and don't know who you are. That is the horror of the internet. No one has perspective, everything is a game for them to release their rage upon for a variety of reasons. To feel important, to avoid dealing with their own problems, etc but in general to feel better about themselves. In your case was worse. You were judged for a misunderstanding. Something that in a conversation in real life would be clarified in a sentence. But instead, you were chosen as an excuse to use as a bullseye for something that was popular. Finding something to throw a rock at because there was nothing else to throw at. People wanted a racist to attack so that they felt important. But since there wasn't one they just decided to make one up. Instead of picking at someone off the street that could not have as many to attack, they went for a "celebrity". Someone who is successful. Someone who is doing better than them. Someone who they feel has more power than they do. That kind of person deserves it. That person has a better life than them. It's another problem that has arisen, seeing the world as black and white. They think oh this person is a successful author and this person has fans and I don't. They must have a perfect life, unlike mine. To say they are wrong is an understatement. They forget that no one has a perfect life. That life is messy and grey. As you said with your thoughts on an apology. They don't want the apology they want to feel the power of having to make someone apologize and that it be written the way they want. Then they want to turn on each other and go "See she apologized, how dare you guys want more" So the power switches because now they are the defenders. Now they feel important again. Us vs Them Because life is easy that way. I'm not saying that US vs Them isn't valid at times but it's not as common as people make it. Anyway, I guess this is my long-winded way to say. Don't try to edit your feelings to please people. They will never be pleased. Real fans will see past the confusion, they won't dissect it to fuel their frustrations. That's not what your feelings are for. They are yours and yours alone. The internet is a machine made for judgment, It's made to fuel people's insecurities, no matter what you do. Done think you can change it, just be you. Never apologize for that. As for the way the Patreon will move forward. I honestly don't care. Unlike other patreons I have supported I don't feel like you have made any promises that you have not been able to keep. I don't feel ripped off by my tier. I don't really consider your Patreon as a money exchange but rather a donation. To donate money to people who need healthcare. To make rent. I have no problem giving money to that. So you'll always have my patronage, I do hope you feel better. I know things will get better. As someone who suffers from major depression, bipolar and anxiety disorders the one thing that has helped me get through that is that life will never be linear. Even though at times you feel like your going down, eventually it will get back up, probably not forever but at least for the time being, and just enjoy those moments and try to make them last. take care David

Anonymous

Lindsey, thanks for the update. Please take care of you. Sending warm thoughts, Marilyn.

Anonymous

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Anonymous

"In a way it was selfish, being so naked about how hurt and angry I was/am, because it doesn’t really help anything. Doesn’t help me, only upsets people who supported me or liked my work" Maybe. I didn't view it as selfish. I don't think a lot of other viewed it as selfish either. And as cliche as it is... haters gonna hate. If you'd worded your last post differently, they'd still be mad. If you had posted nothing, they'd still be mad. If you had posted an apology, they'd still be mad. There's no "right" way to vent. There's no "right" way to, honestly, be human. And you ARE human. The notion of contextless receipts and somehow being 100% PC over a DECADE of public persona-ness whilst the notion of what's PC and what's not keeps changing is, frankly, an impossible bar to keep limboing under. And yes, some of us might be upset, but we're NOT upset at you. We're upset FOR you. "So the only thing I’ll say now is that this abbreviated post is all I have while I figure out how to add value to this Patreon account in ways that don’t involve me being on camera. " If you're feeling guilt, you're welcome to feel guilt, but you don't have to. Like so many other people have stated, I'm personally viewing my contributions as 10 years of retroactive support. Also, if Friends and the Office have value in syndication, so do your videos. I've watched many of them loads of times and I fully plan to rewatch many in the future. <3 As another one of my favorite YouTubers says, take care of yourself because you deserve it. You really really do.

Anonymous

All I did was watch 1 video about the Transformers movies, then your entire back catalogue, which led me to Elisa's channel, which told youtube's algorithm to suggest channels like ContraPoints, Philosophy Tube and others. Your videos and the the branching paths of connections it led me to follow has helped broaden my perspective and understanding in ways I couldn't have predicted. I wanted to thank you for that.

Anonymous

I think it would be good for you to take this break. I personally think that when you're in a position like you were in it's really easy to see all the hate but all your fans or the general public don't see it and have moved on. The trolls will just always be trolls. Some YouTubers have done actually egregious things and you didn't. Just try to take this break to know that sometimes you can have tunnel vision to all the hate you can get and the best thing is to block block block.

Anonymous

I doubt you're reading our comments, but if you are please remember that a million people don't follow YouTube and Twitter drama. You've existed in that bubble for so long I imagine you're not able to see the edge, but it's there all the same. Your books and shows and essays are all solid content. Do whatever you want. take a break, quit entirely, explore new options. Once you find your footing again you're on solid ground. Your work speaks for itself. Your name isn't radioactive.

Bob Duato

My wife and I love your shit. Anyone who doesn't is bonkers

Anonymous

Totally understandable. You are angry and that is justified. I didn't even think that there was anything bad in there. This whole thing is idiotic and the people who attack you should burn in hell.

Anonymous

I know you'll discount every nice thing your fans say and read every mean comment twice, so instead of my "thoughts and prayers" I'm going to offer the only meaningful thing I can: a couple extra American dollars. One, because I can afford to and it seems like a great way to spite the haters. Two, I want to help you and your team get through this mess. And finally, three, I do in fact want to show my appreciation for your work and convey my condolences on the cold-blooded murder of both your public career and your peace of mind. Pick whichever of those options (spite, assistance, appreciation, condolence) makes you happiest to take a little of my money. <3

Anonymous

For me, you don’t have to add value right now. You’ve done enough. Take a break. Take a year. Take whatever you need. I’ll be here.

Anonymous

Gurl, I just love your content. I have spent 20-50x as much on content that didn’t entertain me as much nor educate or inspire me, plus I didn’t subscribe to you before for years (when I should have), so I figure, I can keep this Patreon subscription going for at least 5 years before it is even a question. Sending positive and relaxing vibes

Anonymous

I'm often reminded of "Bunkerhill Bunny" when Bugs and Yosemite Sam went at it from forts with flags, "Us" and "Them." Sadly, it encapsulates so much of human conflict.

Anonymous

Hello Lindsay, many things are going on and I'm so sorry you have been pushed and treated that way. There is no excuse and after all going on no one has the right(or had to in the first place) to treat you the way they did. Try to stay safe and I hope you feel better soon. Do what makes you happy and whole. Your content was always great and enjoyable for me. But you owe it to no one to make more. I wish you the best. Thank you for updating.

Anonymous

Add my name to the list of people who intend to support you for many months while you take a break. It's only $2, for crying out loud. I'm not gonna lose the house.

Anonymous

I just wanted to add to this... thank you. Thank you for the videos you have made. For over a year, as I drove my daughter to/from school we would listen to your videos and discuss them. (she watched, I was driving so only listened). You gave me something that I got to share with my daughter, and we would both like to thank you for that. Take care of yourself as best you can. And thank you.

Anonymous

I will remain a Patreon subscriber regardless of whether any content is added for members. Focus on yourself and let your community help keep you and your team stable as you search for what makes you happy.

Anonymous

Jumping on the bandwagon here (!) 100% happy to continue to contribute with no obligation or expectation of any more output from you. For me it’s a way to express massive thanks for your work that I have already enjoyed. Thank you and best wishes.

Bryan Cybershaman(X) Logie

I'll keep supporting you here indefinitely regardless of when/what you decide to do. I like and learn/benefit from your work and even though I will be sad not to see any more video versions of it I will always enjoy your wit and intelligence in whatever form it takes. 😉 Peace and healing. ☮💯💪

Anonymous

I think you give too much credit to your detractors, you are not toxic, I believe those who accuse you of being toxic are infuriatingly self-righteous and using you to project whatever god complex they've developed via the waste dump social media has become. You owe us nothing. Personally I decided to become you patron due to fact I've rewatched your Hercules video essay an embarrassing amount of times, I felt like I owed you something. You and your art are beautiful.

Anonymous

I'm also happy to support you for as long as you need. You've brought me countless of hours of joy over the past decade plus, I've followed you across many platforms and channels. You're opinion did not at all deserve the reaction you received, so I'm happy to keep my wallet open until you figure out the next chapter

Anonymous

❤️

Anonymous

Take some time, love. Walk away for a while. Let your employees know you need a few weeks to find a plan and a few months to come back to yourself. We don't need to know if you don't feel it's safe to share. We just are happy to be here providing what we can. Please just be kind to yourself first. Treat yourself gently. Clean your wounds before they fester and remember that you're not a business. You're a person who has traumas and scars and emotions. My wife and i have loved your content for years. Your videos are what we bonded over. So I hope you see that you're loved by strangers on the internet and they care about you. So care for yourself too 💙

Anonymous

Your name is not toxic. It's the opposite of that to many, many people. Stop internalizing the hate.

Anonymous

You are not obligated to HAVE a plan right now. Please, do take all the time you need. And if it is forever, that would be really sad, but most of us here will respect your decision or lack thereof. Do what feels good for you.

Anonymous

I've loved your content for years, Lindsay. I've wanted to be a patron for years, but I've never been in the financial position to do so. I am now, which is why I'll stay a patron even if you're not making videos anymore. I hope everything works out well for you. Fuck the haters, reactionaries and diet nazis.

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay I am just chill to keep supporting you till whenever. Hope that things get better.

Anonymous

I love your content. I've honestly watched all of it too many times. But I am now learning I have ZERO grasp of how people generally interact with you online. From all sides of the spectrum. As though you aren't allowed to have emotions and that you owe everyone THE WORLD. I just don't understand it...... In my current financial situation, I just wish I could pay you more, because this fuckery the internet is putting you through is the biggest pile of cosmic turd in the wind I've seen in a while, and you and your team deserve better. I do not care how you move forward as you've convinced me that you *aren't* a nazi and you have a burning, syphilitic passion for Love Never Dies; which I can relate to. However, I hope you're able to get whatever help you need in your trash fire country (Australians can still say that, yeah?) And that you take some time off. I would much prefer you were healthy and never came back to creating the content you had been if you didn't think you could do so. At least to my corner of the world you remain Lindsay Ellis - Queen of Expressing 40°C Takes on Often Musicals, But Also Many Other Things - Usually Film, As USC Is Too Expensive Not to Mention In Your Style

Ed

IMO, there was nothing wrong with your previous Patreon post--but then again, I'm not on the receiving end of all that bile. Take all the time you need--you need to heal, and as you said, that can't happen until you get away from.../all of this/. And if you decide to call it a career, know that it was an impressive one, that touched a lot of people. Be well.

Charlotte Sisman

God I feel so angry on Lindsay's behalf. She doesn't deserve to feel this way.

Anonymous

I came to the comments to say pretty much exactly this. I only just joined Patreon to support you, Lindsay and your employees, during this time. I'm also considering it back pay for the literal years that I've been enjoying you and your work. Please rest easy, I'm one of many who hope you don't internalize the hate randos on the internet have thrown your way. We all hope you find peace in whatever you do next, and I personally am happy to support you all even a little bit during this time. Thank you again. <3

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, You're still in the middle of this, and it's not surprising that it seems like there is no way out right now. You made the decision to get out of the spotlight and it's a good one, but it will take a long time to see results--both in terms of the starvation of the outrage fever swamp and your mental health. You don't need to respond to everything that is being said. In fact, you'll need to not do this. You don't owe anyone content or posts explaining why there is no content. People subscribing here have been given notice of the situation and can choose to leave if they can't/won't support you while you're figuring out what happens next. There are solutions for your novels. These books are reaching audiences who have no idea what your history is. Take your time, get well!

Anonymous

You don't owe any of us anything. Do what you need to do to be healthy and happy. Many of us will continue to support you here because we are able and appreciate your work up to this point.

Anonymous

This occasion really does warrant stating the obvious: people are here and rushed to subscribe to give you support whatever you decide to do or not do, Lindsay.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I'll keep funding your Patreon until you shut it down. I've spent hours consuming your content since the NC days and I feel you're owed something for all the entertainment and (top-notch) analysis you've provided me. In the meantime, you do you, take care of yourself (mentally and physically). I'm your (platonic, internet distant, will never meet face-to-face) huckleberry.

Anonymous

I would not have regretted what you wrote, your going to be on the firing line regardless of what your say or do. so you might as well be honest.

Anonymous

Water your spirit, protect your labour, and rest your mind. We are all comrades in struggle learning and reimagining the decolonized roads we tread upon. Rest easy and rest well this season 🖤🌿💞

Anonymous

I don't donate much but I won't stop unless you ask me to. I imagine the same applies for a lot of us patrons, rest a little easier with the finances if you can. It's not the main issue for your mental health but it shouldn't be compounding.

Anonymous

As sad as I am that I don't get more of the stuff I like, it is in fact totally OK, and indeed fine and normal to walk away from a job or even a career that's awful for you. Even when that career is a business that employs other people, it happens every day that business wrap up for all sorts of reasons. I'm just very glad that whenever I've walked away from something I haven't had hundreds or indeed thousands of people commenting on my every move. I'm sad and angry on your behalf. I can see how what's happened would suck all the joy out of it. :-( I'll keep up patreon for a good long while to provide a softer landing, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

Anonymous

Fuck everyone! You don't owe you haters, or us anything! You've given plenty. Do whatever makes you happy. Just keep writing your books, I'll keep reading them (well listening cus I'm lazy!) You are in the eye of the hurricane so you are only hearing from everyone with an opinion they can't keep it to themselves. I promise you that almost everyone who knows your name has no idea that there has been a drama, and everyone else has no idea who you are. I'm a librarian who constantly promotes your book (sorry is that like robbing your income?). I have had LITERALLY no one have any reaction other than "oh yeah, that lady on YouTube! Cool I'll check it out". No one. I know the wounds that hurt the most though are the personal relationships, I get that. Just know we've got your back, your employees know what you're going through and are talented. They will find other work if it comes to that. And everyone else will forget soon enough. Don't let us trap you doing something that will destroy you. Aroha nui

Anonymous

I don't believe your name is toxic in the slightest, and I'm heartbroken that the actions of a small, vocal, and deeply shitty anonoymous internet mob has made you feel that it is. They can all go to hell. Also, you don't owe anyone (on Patreon or otherwise) anything. Please focus on yourself, and try to ingnore the teeming morass of shittiness that is the modern internet.

Anonymous

Take your time. If there is one seemingly unified sentiment I saw in the comments on your last post (at least from my fellow patrons), it was support and understanding. Thank you for feeling you need to keep us up to date, and thank you for the openness. I think everyone who is still on this page, still supporting, is aware of what you're dealing with and looking to support you whatever form that may take. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't need a monthly video essay from someone who would rather be doing anything else to feel like my 'investment' paid off. Keeping you and those on your payroll, who have created so much content I cherish, comfortable is reward enough. And part of that comfort is you not needing to continue to try and heal in the public arena. Take the time you need. If and/or when you feel like creating again, I'll be here. Hell, I supported Every Frame a Painting up until they literally shut the Patreon down, and I subbed AFTER he stopped producing. I link your videos to more people than I do theirs.

Anonymous

I hope you keep writing. Your novels are my favorite sci-fi of the last few years, and I love sci-fi.

Anonymous

Take a break! I can hear/read so much pain in your recent posts. You don't have to figure it out immediately. Lots of your patrons are here! Also, what if...you just....gave yourself permission to be for a while? And just let whatever sounds fun come to you? There's an episode of Bojack Horseman (really an arc of Diane's) where she does eventually find something that brings her a little ball of joy....I don't know if that episode/season would be helpful right now, but the way her pain is animated feels similar to how you're struggling. You deserve something nice in your life.

Anonymous

I will continue to support you unconditionally. I’m so sorry you’re going through this.

Anonymous

I first came here because I hated Michael Bay's Transformers and enjoyed videos giving them a certain intellectualized ribbing. I'm really sorry that you've become such a punching bag. I know, and I'm sure a lot of other people here know, from getting ganged up and no one being able or willing to protect you. Your experiences are relatable in general, even if most of us haven't had our asses kicked all over twitter. I'm sorry that you feel like your duties to your collaborators are keeping you in the same room as your abusers, metaphorically speaking. Amanda Palmer once suggested making art, even bad art, was a good way to work at a problem. Maybe you should just do something you're bad enough at that you don't care if people don't like it.

Anonymous

I for one don't mind continuing to support you. 2 dollars a month is nothing compared to the amazing content, you and your team has given me over the years. Take your time, your tone was completely justified considering what has happened to you, and post when you feel ready again. :)

Anonymous

I remember being upset over the previous post, but it’s kind of a knotted hydra of reasons. Mostly it comes down on the one hand to selfishly wanting one of my favorite voices on the Internet to keep creating, while on the other hand having at least a decent grasp of how online harassment can impact your mental health. My impression with the last post was that you were ending your projects full stop, but my hope is that you take a good long mental health break, come back and reassess whether this still makes your happy, whether you’d rather switch to exclusively producing for Nebula/Patreon, whether you would rather focus on your writing, etc. I’ve been your fan for about a decade at this point and while fans like me will miss your videos, your emotional well-being should rank over your audience’s expectation.

Anonymous

I'm a set it and forget it kind of patreon supporter. And I see no reason to remove you from the handful of creators that I send paltry amounts of money to monthly. Take the time to figure out your next life. I won't drop the sub until you pull the page whether you post anything or not.

Anonymous

We, which is to say my family have been Fans since the beginning. I always meant to support your work in more then just likes and shares, but never got around to it. I regret that now. As far as I’m concerned, I will just stay subscribed to your Patreon indefinitely, it’s the least I owe you for all the times you change my mind. I wish you only the best.

Anonymous

It really seemed like you needed to say what you said. Like you would have exploded if you didn't get it out? Take your time; figure out what's next for you. I'm a ride or die Lindsay supporter. I'm not going anywhere.

Anonymous

I'm delighted to offer a little bit of money and expect nothing in return. You've given so much to us for so long. Take all the time you need.

Anonymous

I said it before, I'll say it again: I'm here til the end (Also I really hope you find time to disconnect from the DISCORSE long enough to have a well deserved relaxation)

Anonymous

By my own (but not really comparable) experience: Making the decision to quit everything (as in: videos, politics, writing, whatever is psychologically tied to this BS) might be helpful. The feeling of giving up can be very relieving, energizing even. And you don't really have to believe yourself either, just pretending to not care about writing/etc works just fine. Or maybe this is BS, but it works for me at least. Anyway: you are truly an amazing person; please take care.

Anonymous

It's OK to be angry. You deserve to have people listen to your feelings, eloquently composed or no. Hell, I am happy to pay for angry rants for a few years. You have gone through a hella traumatic experience and the fact you are giving us these glimpses at all should be incredibly humbling to anyone on here. I am very aware that our relationship is parasocial at best, but my life is improved by the fact that you exist. I am happy to continue paying to thank you for existing and for your previous content. And I hope you know I mean that in a way where I expect absolutely nothing back and want you to feel no pressure from it. I would be very grateful if you were willing to share an update on how you're doing every now and then (like, every couple of months), but I know how hard that could be. You're probably going to be overwhelmed by a lot of comments, and this one isn't very dramatic, so it probably won't have as much of an impact. I just want to say (and fuck those that say otherwise) that you have every right to feel what you're feeling. You owe all of us internet-ians nothing. You have been giving to us for a very long time. I am deeply sorry that so many people took advantage of the openness and access. I am deeply sorry I didn't say all this when this started. You deserved to be fully supported before you felt overwhelmed. I can see now how easily we can take people in our parasocial relationships for granted. With all my heart, I wish you all the best.

Anonymous

The stuff you've made has been absolutely amazing, and I appreciate you and everyone else who helps make this stuff a reality. I learned a lot about movies, interesting backstory on how they're made, and how they shape and tell us about our own culture. I look forward to what comes next, in whichever medium it comes in.

Anonymous

You should walk away from this and let someone else keep the lights on for a bit. It feels like you need to find a new paradigm for all this; pain shouldn't be part of the process. And getting angry at a wall just makes you mad. Personally, I see patreon as a way of enabling people to do what they want, and I support people or groups, yours being the latter, as people. The modern Internet is in some ways a Trojan horse version of 4chan, complete with the ugliness. Just with a less vile surface culture.

Anonymous

I'm repeating the sentiments of hundreds when I say that I am willing to continue supporting your Patreon page, whether you have content to add to it or not; what I want to support, above all else, is you, your wellbeing, and your decision to leave Twitter, YouTube, etc. behind. I do not need an endless stream of content to justify supporting you. I hope you are able to seek out that which can fulfill you, and that what little we Patrons can offer will help in supporting you and those working for you in the meantime.

Anonymous

You're a person and I don't think being a creator should exclude you from honestly sharing your emotions. I know I am only one person, but I value openness in the pseudo-relationship that exists between creators and fans. It's not necessary and not every creator needs to do it. However, it can important piece of what creates a community and is one of the unique hallmarks of Patreon, especially. Lindsey, we are all here to support you. Yes, because you have made cool shit we enjoy. But also because through your community, you have become a tangential member of a family that exists I this weird liminal Patreon space and we *care* about you as a member of that family. Your vitriol is justified. Your life is being reshaped by both radical trauma and change. You don't owe us shit, but *please* feel free to vent and spitball what comes next if it helps.

Anonymous

You weren't being selfish! Take the time to decompress. I won't sit here and act like I know what's best for you, but I will say this: to keep on writing would be the ultimate "piss off" to those people. As much as they try to demean you for saying that their actions can hurt people, in a way you giving up is what they wanted. Know that those of us here will gladly give you the support you need and deserve. Maybe making all of your content Patreon exclusive is the right move

Anonymous

Hi, Lindsay - you're a good person and your "walking away" post is what made me start contributing. Just upped my contribution to $5/month, and I'll be here for the next year at least. Hope you get a chance to mentally unplug from all this soon.

Anonymous

Honestly, if all this Patreon does is help keep the lights on while you write your novels, it's good enough for me.

Anonymous

I don't think about paying on Pateron as paying for content. I think about approval voting(voting system like first past the post) for what I want to see more of in the world based on what I have already seen produced. Importantly it is supposed to help enable content creation(or other activities) not obligate content creation.

Anonymous

Whatever comes next for you, genuinely, best of luck.

Anya Lienau

Count me among those who will fund you indefinitely for the countless hours of entertainment and education you already provided me over the years, no new content needed. I'm really sorry you're going through the wringer. You're a gem and we love ya honey.

Anonymous

I will continue to fund you. You are the only creator on Patreon I never hesitated to give my money to, even if it was a measly amount. I have been a fan of yours since your nostalgia chick days and the positivity and happiness you brought to my life won't change. I only wish I could give some of that back to you, so you can survive this. I own both your books, and I look forward to the next one. Please, don't forget how much those who do support you love you. I don't know if helps, but for all the bad will out there, there is a multitude of good will that stands behind you. We love you <3

Anonymous

Oh hon. Your work has had such a positive affect on my life and I hate that you're going through this. YOU ARE ALLOWED to feel negative feelings. YOU ARE ALLOWED to get through them at your own pace. You have every right to feel ill used when you have been ill used! I've never been a chief executive anything and I wish I had useful ideas on how to move forward. I can promise that I will continue to support you as much as I can.

Anonymous

I don't know if you're reading comments, but I just want to say that your feelings are valid, and you have good reason for feeling angry. I would say that if you need to distance yourself from social media until such a time that you figure out what to do next, then take all the time you need. I think your Patrons will understand.

Anonymous

Signing up was something that was always on my to do list. With all of this nonsense, I'll be here as long as I can kick in a couple of bob. Can't keep a good queen down.

Anonymous

If it’s the public-facing aspect of it, could you hire a new host while just running the business side of it? You don’t have to be onscreen while running it any more than most business heads.

Anonymous

Those who support you will continue to do so. Those who hate you will continue to do so, regardless of what you can say in a post. Take care of yourself 🙏❤ I hope you keep writing.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I really hope you have a good therapist that you can talk to about all this.

Anonymous

Fuck those people, you have the right to be upset and angry.

Anonymous

The only 'path forward' I want you to have right now is taking care of yourself as much as you can. I really think that the books will be okay. I know many came to Axiom's End because of your videos, but there are going to plenty of readers who are still fans, and there'll be readers who discovered the books a different way and only know you're a video essayist because it was mentioned on the cover. You're a wonderful writer and I believe that one day you will be far better known for your novels than for anything else, and I hope that when that time comes this Twitter/YouTube shit will feel like an old and toothless bad dream. Although I also hope that you heal enough to feel proud again of the video essays, because they are some of the best stuff I've seen.

Anonymous

I am sure I will never fully understand what you're going through, but I can promise you will only get love from me, even when you’re figuring some stuff out.

Anonymous

Don't post. A lot of people will stay Patrons for a while, allowing you and your staff time to regroup and decide what you each need to do collectively and individually. Slowly the money will dry up but at the same time the overhead costs will as well. Your staff will find new options and move forward. And you can have time to heal. The people still here aren't here because we expect weekly/monthly/quarterly or in fact any content at all. We are here for our own reasons and you own us nothing.

Anonymous

I've liked your books, and I've liked your videos. And I read what you wrote, and I read the responses, in all the ways that people rejected the words while doing exactly what was said in them. And I feel like if the initial comment had been about an adaptation of the myth of Cassandra, it would've been darkly hilarious, but it wasn't, and it isn't. So I'm just kinda intending to sit here, and see what happens, and pay money to do it. That feels about right.

Jebest4781

I'll still be your patron as I greatly enjoy your work. And I won't give you any issues or complaints pertaining to your situation as we are all human and aren't ideally perfect. You are perfect just the way you are. I hope you have the best of luck on your end.

Anonymous

I will remain your patron for as long as you remain here.. I feel like I still owe you for all of the contemplation you have inspired based on posts that you made before I became a patron.

Anonymous

Maybe give yourself the gift of letting this Patreon be a bridge to what comes next. And fuck the sanctimony crowd, let them devour each other.

Anonymous

I only joined after you announced you'd be leaving the public eye and I'm not going to leave. I'm here to support you and I don't want you to feel pressured to ever provide us something new in return. If our contributions go towards paying comment moderators, or your team's health insurance while they look for other work, or even just for keeping your previous videos publicly available, that's perfect. The most important thing to us is that you recover and enjoy your life. Please don’t do anything for us that would affect your recovery. You handled all of this with inspirational bravery, dignity, and honest vulnerability. ‘Mask Off’ and ‘Walking Away from Omelas’ are powerful and important messages that I think are already changing things for the better. I hope your future plans will be designed only to maximize your own happiness and success. I bought your books physically and on audible, and I’ll be rewatching your videos eternally. If some Patrons are demanding something in return immediately, I hope they can understand that maintaining an enormous public archive of videos and comments isn’t free. Continued access to these videos is very valuable to me.

Anonymous

Wishing you a life of happiness and prosperity. I’m here to support anything and/or nothing that comes next. I want the whole plate 🤙

Silver Wings

Your health and happiness are the most important. All who say otherwise are just wrong. I have watched you since the days of the site-that-shall-not-be-named. And I have learned so much from you, arguably more than any other analyzer of pop culture.I will miss your observations, so thank you for the time and content you gave us. I wish you the very best in whatever endeavor you choose next.

Anonymous

Do what’s best for you. No matter what ❤️

Anonymous

You've been the target of multiple harassment campaigns for years. I don't see how anyone could deal with that without feeling like your name is toxic. I don't think you're toxic and others don't think you're toxic either. I hope you find peace and figure out a healthy way to manage your business and everything else.

phluffie

Hi! I think you're great. That is all I have to add.

Anonymous

I don't expect any content; my subscription is solely to support you. You've been on the receiving end of a most disingenuous, mendacious and malicious campaign. Your anger is understandable and warranted. Evil and vile people have their reputations rehabilitated over time, and therefore I firmly believe that someone as decent and well-intentioned as you will not be permanently vilified; the angry, mindless mobs will move onto other targets eventually. Edit: That said, screw Youtube and opinion-based media. Do what's best for you.

Anonymous

Genuinely, I can’t think of a worse fair than not being able to create any more; and I hope you have those around you who can help you heal. I hope you find a way to find an outlet for your wonderful mind, massive talent and wonderful heart with time. In the meanwhile, there are so many people here whose support of you is not conditional. Please take time to yourself and know that if you ever come back, you will still have audience who love your work. And if you never come back, I hope you can believe that your videos and your books have added a net positive to the world.

Anonymous

I, too, only joined here after learning via a ContraPoints tweet that you were quitting. (Hell of a way to get new subscribers, isn't it?) I was touched by your last post and, fwiw, don't think you should beat yourself up over anything you wrote there, let alone any reaction it provoked. You can't please people who refuse to be pleased and that isn't your job, anyway. I hope the emotional storm passes soon and that you find your way, whatever it may be, after this.

Anonymous

I just joined as a patron. What happened to you was awful. Whatever you decide to do next, I’m in. Don’t let the bastards grind you down.

Josh Janney

Yeah, I only think there is controversy about Linday in some EXTREMELY online, obscure, niche communities that have no bearing on what the majority of people actually think. I still think she has a reputation among most as one of the greatest YouTubers to have ever lived.

Anonymous

Far be it for me to comment on the shitshow that is twitter, but at least in my albeit limited sphere, there was nothing but outpouring of love for your work and presence these past 10-15 years. I can only speak for myself, but you're work has taught me almost everything I know about media criticism (both film/tv and literature) as well has how to structure an argument. I hope you find the well wishes from patreon and those close to you as some comfort that you're not alone and you're incredibly talented and creative person! On a lighter note, I hope you continue the podcast! It's always fun to hear about my favorite musicals from a different perspective!! Best wishes from a complete stranger!

Anonymous

This whole shitshow has been appalling and I'm so sorry it's affected your life this much. Regarding your name being toxic: a friend of mine said they read Axiom's End and had no idea that you were on YouTube let alone there being some kind of toxic twitter campaign against you. Ultimately people on Twitter are only a small segment of your overall audience (they are only a small segment of the entire population after all), and your books have traction outside of that. Don't let a loud bunch of asshats make you think otherwise.

Anonymous

It sucks to see you in such pain. I hope things get better. I'm with several people who have already expressed this, but I don't think you said anything wrong in your last post. In fact, it's what brought me here to support you.

Anonymous

Your anger is valid. Focus on yourself first and foremost. Thank you for everything you've done.

Anonymous

I'm not changing my pledge in the foreseeable future, honestly I never even watched most of your videos (long for me), I just wanted to support you. Good luck!

Paggy

Take care of yourself. You have true supporters who will help you when you need it most. When you figure it out, we’ll still be around.

Anonymous

You have every right to have been angry in your last post. Rage on and take all the time you need to heal. Even if I never get a bit of your video content again, you've been a huge influence on me and I think you deserve all the best. Looking forward to your next novel.

Anonymous

I’m sorry for the pain and difficulties you’re going through now. I’m always grateful and appreciative for the work you’ve done and how it’s had a positive impact on my life. I’m supportive of you as you find your next step and move forward. Thank you for everything:)

Anonymous

Right here are a bunch of folks that support you no matter what you do.

Anonymous

Take your time. Get the space you need. I’m happy to see you taking steps to make yourself happier. What happened to you is absolutely not fair and your feelings about it are absolutely valid. Your books are wonderful. Your video essays are groundbreaking and inspired. We all love your wit and insight. Most of us will be right here if and when you want to come back. If you decide not to, then I’ll be grateful for what you have made. Don’t rush, don’t put pressure on yourself to do anything you aren’t ready for. Take care of yourself and the people you care about.

David W (d20dave) (d_dave)

It's not selfish to be honest about how you're feeling. It was brave and kind that you told us what's happening, instead of doing what was best for you and just disappearing. Thank you for that. Yes, we're sad. That's okay. Actually it's good -- it shows that what you did mattered and had an impact on us. That's a wonderful thing. Going forward, please be *more* selfish. The main people you should be talking to right now are your therapist and closest friends or family. If we don't see you for months, or a full year, then personally I'll take that as a hopeful sign.

Anonymous

Makes perfect sense that you're not sure how to proceed. Everything is still raw. With well over a thousand comments on your last update I'm sure you didn't see mine but I'll reiterate it here. I'm fine with continuing to support your patreon even if there's no content for the foreseeable future. I consider it payment plus interest for all the videos I enjoyed on youtube for free for the last few years. Hopefully the money from this and from your book sales is enough to keep you and your employees going until you've had time to plan that next step. I'd much rather see nothing from you but know that you're taking care of yourself than have you be under pressure from this corner as well.

Anonymous

Queen, I truly doubt any of your loyal fans are "upset" . . . We understand you have to do what is best for YOU before you can think about any future. You are NOT toxic. People with brains can see this. I am not going to lie. I REALLY considered tracking down who "princess sparkle . . . Whatever the hell it was" that you said compiled your "list of sins" and really read them the riot act . . . I really feel the strongest form of hate for them. Really. I know they are just part of the problem, but THEY are the problem- NOT you. Either way, I KNOW you are the bigger person and you would NOT want me to do that. So I restrained myself. I know you don't read all these but on the off chance you do, please know you are an inspiration on SO many levels. Whatever your future holds, JUST. BE. HEALTHY.

Anonymous

I wish I could send a virtual hug. Your name isn't toxic. None of your detractors are people who actually matter in the real world -- you've accomplished something they probably never will, because they're too busy being hateful little twats scrambling for attention they're incapable of earning on their own merit. I've watched your videos since your early days on the site that shall remain nameless. Even if you're never able to return to content creation, you've had an impact you should be genuinely proud of. I think all of us just want you to do whatever is best for your own mental and physical health, and meanwhile we'll be here to support you. Take the time to find whatever will make you happy. No matter how your detractors bitch and moan, you have a lot of supporters who aren't going anywhere (which is probably more than most of them can say).

Anonymous

I know that even one terrible comment hurts a lot more than a sea of well wishes, but I hope that you will find some comfort in the surge of support here. The people who are hurting you want you to feel alone but you are not alone. Take the time you need to be well.

Anonymous

Four years ago when my now-husband and I were still dating, he sent me your video on Hunchback because it was my favorite childhood film. I had been unfamiliar with your work prior to that, and, in a larger sense, I had no real interest in or capacity for YouTube videos longer than four minutes. I started watching that video in the bath one day, figuring I'd watch a few minutes as a gesture of gratitude for it being sent to me and then turn it off, but I was immediately struck by your thoughtfulness, your nuance, and your obvious love for your material. I've admired you ever since. I've enjoyed your videos; I thought your books were splendid; and most recently, I've found myself sucked in to your podcast. I think your insight and compassion make your work easy to follow and thoroughly enjoyable. I don't write any of this to say "Please don't stop creating" - I say it because I know you've been inundated with vitriol for months, and I want to add my voice to the chorus of those trying to shout down the nastiness. You are talented and purposeful and clearly care deeply for what you do and those you love. I can't imagine the trauma you've been through, and I don't pretend to, but I wish you the brightest of lights at the end of this. I personally have no problem keeping up my Patreon subscription indefinitely, and I suspect I'm not alone in that. Hang in there best you can.

Anonymous

Even if it feels like one and called one, your post is not a failed update. It is an update of feeling, and the single most important thing is for you to take care of yourself, rest, ignore stuff, recharge, take your time. Don't worry about how much you are "creating". There's this thing I've been doing for years with the very silly name of "vicarious empowerment." Long-story short, it means I may not have the resources to help myself, but I do have enough to throw people a few dollars of support. If you saw my creator list, it is very long with each one getting a few bucks, so the little empowerment I send your way is not going away anytime soon. You don't "owe" me. Please take care

Anonymous

This is a Lindsay Ellis appreciation post!

Anonymous

You talk about it like your supporters and detractors are the only people that matter here. That previous post felt like an attempt to be honest with the community that you care about, and I feel like that's honorable and REALLY fucking brave. I appreciate it, and I also am touched that you might be worrying about how upset we might be to hear about your honesty. That being said: literally don't spend one moment of your time worrying about how upset your supporters might be by your candor. We're not talking about life-changing upset levels here. We're talking about "Ah I read on patreon that Lindsay had a bad year, that really sucks." To us, you're a celebrity. Think about how sad you are that Betty White died. That's a HUGE event for her family, but for us fans, it's just a bit of a bummer. So you're going through all this, and it's a big deal for you. You're agonizing over life-changing decisions. "How can I keep doing this thing that causes me constant anguish for a career? But what else should I do? What about my employees?" I think all of us as fans feel for you, and wish we could help, but none deserve your concern and regret, because there are orders of magnitude between our upset level and your upset level. It's like you got shot in the neck, which startled somebody, causing them to stub their toe, and then you go "Hey are you okay? I'm so sorry, let me get you some ice." We're fine. We'll continue to be fine. Tend to your neck wound, and let us know if we can help.

Anonymous

I watched a youtube video essay on fame being abusive, and I think back on it often. Especially after reading things like this. Take care of yourself. Trying to figure out the business side for your employees is cool. But don't torture yourself trying to keep it going.

Anonymous

I'm not sure what I could add that hasn't already been said better by other people. I appreciated your sincerity. I wish you and your employees the best, and I have no intention of ever stopping my meager €2 a month contribution even if you'd never post anything ever again.

Anonymous

I just became a patreon again and i intend to continue being one no matter how much or how little you produce. I am supporting YOU and you have made so much amazing content that i can keep watching again and again. You deserve a beak without worrying about economic questions. I am so so so sorry for all that you have endured and keep enduring. It's too much for any to bear. From me its only love and support. You are amazing and that amazingness is not only connected to what you produce but to what you are. Love Love Love and Love again. Take Care ♥️

Anonymous

I don't think many people supporting you on Patreon expect content updates in exchange for their pledges in the immediate future. As long as you make it clear what they're pledging support for going forward, I really don't see a problem with you taking some time off to collect yourself and to figure out what, if anything, you really want to do with regard to content creation. I know it can be difficult to ignore the negative stuff out there, so I'd suggest getting someone else to deal with your other social media channels for now so you can take a break from all that. The comments I've seen here on Patreon have been overwhelmingly positive, so I hope you can at least focus more on those and feel less anger.

Anonymous

Dear Lindsay, I don't believe I've ever posted a reply here before and in general I don't think my meager "patronage" entitles me of anything, and I don't presume to know you in any meaningful way just because I've been watching your videos for quite a long time now (I mean, even addressing you by your first name feels over-familiar). I don't expect you to be reading the replies here anyways, but in case you happen to see this one, I just wanted to say this - I'm sure you'll figure it out, whatever it is you need to figure out, and please, take all the time you need. I, and I'm pretty sure quite a few others around here, have no intention of terminating our support, no matter how long, if ever, it takes you to produce new things. Hang in there.

Anonymous

I'm sorry you're going through this shit right now. I support you, I'm sure many of us feel the way I do. Take your time, and most importantly take care of yourself. That's all that matters. <3

Anonymous

Dear Lindsay, I've loved your work ever since my husband introduced me to it, and I've been (and will continue to be) happy to help support your work whatever form it takes. While I might miss your videos, I firmly believe that you don't owe us anything. I wish you all the best with your healing and hope you're able to take the time you need and find a path that works for you!

phastinemoon

I also want to add -- if you NEED anything, please don't hesitate to post about it. Recommendations for a therapist, moving expenses, help covering medical expenses, any kind of support. A lot of us have gone through, perhaps not the exact same variety, but at least a similar kind of trauma where we felt alone and like everyone hated us (even though it is provably not true) and I can't imagine anyone in the comments here, right now, would balk at wanting to make sure another person was alright. We want you to be safe. We want you to be well. We want you to be... okay, maybe 'happy' isn't a realistic goal, given the current hellscape, but at least not this miserable. If you need to just disappear for a year, I'll still happily pay on a monthly basis so long as it helps (like, literally, if you're scraping for ideas about content, just make the occasional text post so your patrons know you're still alive and I'll consider that fully worth my subscription)

Anonymous

You are not toxic! It truly breaks my heart that they have made you feel that way... Your books where some of most impactful media I took part of last year.

Anonymous

I don't think there's anything that I can say that hasn't already been said, but we love you, Lindsay, and we all just want you to feel better, to feel okay, as a person. Fuck being a "content creator." It really sucks that something that previously brought you so much joy has been swarmed by mean-spirited idiots. I'm sorry there isn't anything more constructive to say.

Anonymous

So, I am sending love, and positive thought waves in your general direction. I truly found value in your videos, so I ponied up cash on this platform. I don’t mind continuing to do so, because I know that you will produce something somewhere that will be wonderful. Take your time, and be good to yourself.

Anonymous

You can have my sad piddly two dollars for as long as you need it. It's okay to just take time out. We'll still be here. <3

Anonymous

Sorry you have to keep clarifying yourself, especially to fans. I hope that time is healing, but you have every right to be furious with how things turned out. All the best for you, and take care of yourself

Anonymous

Good luck. I've enjoyed your work and I hope you find a new way forward.

Anonymous

I just want to say I know multiple people who have bought your books and have absolutely no idea who you are outside of those books (in a good way). So many people in the world have no idea what's going on on Twitter/YouTube whatever

Anonymous

You don't owe anyone an explanation or an apology, especially not for your explanation/apology. I believe you. My support is unconditional. Rest. Get help. Be safe. Stay curious.

Anonymous

Signed up to Patreon after New Years. My support is unconditional. You’re doing great

Anonymous

Maybe it's because people are not used to medical leaves of absence, or that people consider mental health to not be a medical issue, but it's horrible seeing people act as if your decision of leaving due to your mental health is in any way selfish towards your employees. Rest and get better.

Anonymous

Sending you virtual hug, Lindsay. Your art has been so impactful and I truely think, that it made youtube and the world a better place. :) I will keep supporting you as long as this patreon is up. In a way your thoughtful videos supported me for a logn time, without me doing anything for you besides clicking on them.

Anonymous

I would not mind if you would give up your business and just take the money that's left and just go on vacation for some months to heal your trauma away from the internet. ;)

Anonymous

Relax, take some time off, clear your mind and heal. Don't feel the need to be constantly apologizing to us. I would very much prefer to see a happy post from you after months of silence that several sad/worried posts right now. I hope things get better. Best wishes.

Anonymous

Adding to the unconditional support pile - it’s not about what comes next, it’s appreciation for what you’ve already done. Whatever you decide to do next needs to be about what’s best and healthiest for you. Also, don’t let a vocal, militant minority make you believe your name is toxic - it’s not <3

Anonymous

I genuinely recommend bouncing around a room singing along at the top of your voice to Taylor Swift's Shake It Off at least once a day. Some people will always be dicks. Put your focus on us instead. We love you.

Anonymous

I hope you know that for every one idiot that attacked you there's a thousand who's lives were made better by your work, and more importantly there's a few million who have no idea who you are. It's been easy for the world to feel small lately, but with any luck it'll start feeling bigger soon. Thanks for everything, you've made some hard times in my life a lot easier. I hope you're able to find some peace.

Anonymous

You’re allowed to feel angry. There was a post I read recently about how people are more like the seasons. Sometimes, you need to rest man, sometimes it’s fucking winter and your barren and hibernating. There’s no such thing as the perfect response to this type of situation. Every time you talk about this, it puts me in mind of an abusive relationship with gaslighting and all. Be angry, but accept that your angry and know that it’s fucking valid. You’ll find your way forward to wherever’s next, it will come, but it doesn’t have to be immediately.

Anonymous

I signed up to your patreon this last month, for no other reason than that I have liked your content for many years, but have not had the means to support it until now. Regardless of what has happened recently, I just feel that I kind of owe you for the years of content I have already consumed. Oh - and I love your books. Is there a reason you can't publish under pseudonym? I wanna keep reading your stuff.

Alexander

I wasn’t upset that you weren’t going to be posting videos, although I very much enjoy your work. I was upset by how ill used you’ve been. Because it’s upsetting to watch a talented person pilloried for no good reason!

Anonymous

I'm certain that I'm not the only person that will keep on supporting you here on Patreon. Considering the cost it's literally the least we can do. Also, I do hope you keep publishing as well. You're writing style in fiction is really engaging just as is has been in your video essays.

Anonymous

After reading a few of the other comments, I'd like to add this. I suffered a mental breakdown last spring. I took a leave of absence as a result. Fortunately in my country this wasn't a financial hit because the social safety net is more intact than in the US. Nonetheless, it is an absolutely a real thing that massive stress can incapacitate. As many have said here, you have to take care of yourself first. It just really sucks that you, as a small business owner have to be responsible for directly paying health care.

Anonymous

I can relate. I had to get off social media lately, it's just too enraging. There are a lot of good people out there but it just takes one jerk to ruin a good mood. There is no victory to be had, it's all just wrestling in the mud with pigs. Meaning that you both get dirty but the pig likes it. Hope you are on the mend. As much as I want to see more content, I'd rather that you take care of yourself first. For someone who has brought so much joy to me, I hope myself, or some of the 400+ others here can offer some back in return. Kia Kaha.

Anonymous

I've loved your content for years but now only decided to start supporting you on patreon as yeah business is hard and I think a lot of people just want to make sure you're ok and not stressing out over looking after your employees. I am fortunate enough to live in the UK and got paid sick leave for three months after a mental health breakdown last year I am always shocked at how hard that is for other people to take outside the UK or such secure employment as I have. Please take care of yourself. You don't owe us anything

Anonymous

Best of luck!

Anonymous

I subscribed to your Patreon to read the initial update, and I'm planning to stay for support. You've given me a lot personally and for what it's worth you could be posting nothing from now on and that would be fine. Hope you get better soon!

Anonymous

Take a break, take a break, take a break!

Anonymous

I'm 100% able and willing to keep contributing to the Patreon no matter what if it helps pay someone's health insurance. Honestly, at this point, it's fair to assume that anyone still supporting it feels similarly, you've made your intent to quit clear and we're still here. You've done everything you need to do as far as informational posts go IMO.

Anonymous

I am happy to continue supporting the business for as long as I can afford to. I don't give every month in exchange for new content, but out of appreciation for all that I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy. I want to support you and the other people who make it all possible. That includes supporting your ability to take care of your own mental health without worrying that you won't be able to pay your employees' health insurance. (And it's certainly not your fault the US puts small business owners in that predicament). Take care of yourself!

Anonymous

Lindsay, if it helps, I don't think your name is toxic at all. Despite how ever-present it is, the group of people who hate you are small, and your work is good and speaks for itself. I absolutely think you can keep writing if you want to, and I really hope I get to read more of your books some day soon. <3

Anonymous

I agree with Ryan North. I know you are tired of being told "twitter is not real life" because it's ruined your real life, but you do know that twitter is not representative of your readership or viewership. It's a tiny sliver of the population, and as most authors have found, leaving it doesn't affect their careers (except giving them more time to read and write). Probably making big decisions about your future or if your name is "toxic" a week after quitting all social media is not wise. In a few months, after you leave that world behind, you will hopefully feel better about things and actually want to write again.

Anonymous

As I'm sure many others have already said, I think those of us who are still here just want to support you and your team and aren't expecting content in return. You have already given us so much and I am truly happy to keep up this support model for as long as I can.

Anonymous

Personally I don't really care if you are adding value to the patron account at the moment, I'd rather not be responsible for adding to the pressure/stress you're under so no worries if that means a few months of radio silence. I'll still keep supporting until you officially wind it down as I wouldn't want you to have to drop your employees in a tough spot.

Anonymous

I understand that not everyone will agree, but for some of us (including myself,obviously), showing our support for you every month by way of Patreon payments is enough, regardless of what you do or don't do "for us". You don't owe -anyone- anything, including Patrons who are supporting you with the notice (the previous post) that they might not see direct results for a while. We're here for you and we're on your side.

Anonymous

I've been a yt subscriber of yours for years, and I have always had an adblock on. Please take my 2$ as payment for previous content and nothing else. I do not expect you to force yourself to create something only to justify my patreon subscription. As far as I'm concerned, this is remedial for the years of content that you have already worked on. Even once that totally made up 'debt' is paid, I will continue to support simply because 2$ means nothing to me.

Anonymous

Writing from the UK. Your content has challenged and entertained me for over a decade now. I even donated to your documentary when I myself was a student and didn't have a way I could ever see it, just because I wanted you to keep making more stuff. Please keep writing, as I promise that once this 'damn baby' starts letting me read irl books again they will be top of the pile. I know so many people who like me love and champion your work. Whatever you settle on creating we will seek it out. And it really makes a difference! I've used your videos to help people start to understand misconceptions around trans issues. Please don't let the bastards win x

Anonymous

Gosh I really hope you keep writing the Noumena series! I will continue to support you for as long as it takes for you to choose your next steps, with or without content, because honestly your videos and podcasts have meant so much to me. However, I would be gutted if there's no conclusion to your books! They're wonderful and you've created an amazing world. You have so much to be proud of xxx

Anonymous

You've given us so much already. I am happy to keep a subscription going just to pay in arrears for all of the great work you've done. More than anything, we just want you to be in a healthy place.

Anonymous

Crests and troughs. I'm gonna stick around while you think about your next steps, and then ride the wave back up with you and this community, if that's OK. Thanks!

Anonymous

Honestly, you've given me (yes, me! personally!) so much enjoyment and quality content for so long, I'm more than happy to keep up a Patreon subscription while you take as much time as you can to recover from the horror show of the last year. I say "as much time as you can" because sometime just trying to recover while not working/creating can be a real fucking trial in itself. But seriously, I am happy to continue to "pay in arrears" for everything you've given me over the years! And I look forward to your next book as well!!

Anonymous

I personally started to subscribe to your Patreon as a a way to "pay back" the years of free and amazing content, I'm not expecting updates in exchange. These have been some of the hardest years for anyone to endure, and you certainly have had to deal with a difficult time very publicly. I, like many, will continue to support for as long as I can whether you produce content or not. I hope you feel like you can remove yourself from the public limelight for as long as you need. Xxx

Anonymous

Worry about adding value, later, when you're feeling better. For now, I will support you because no one deserves to endure what you are going through and I can afford to,

Ilah Martinez

If it's any consolation, I had never heard of omelas until your post so you were responsible for that. ❤️ Ty

Anonymous

I’m not normally one to post or comment on the interwebz, probably like a lot of folks. But I will continue to support you because I appreciate your particular perspective on our culture and society, even if it’s something you aren’t sharing publicly. I’m sorry expressing it has brought you so much pain recently.

Anonymous

To echo what some others have said, the Noumena series rocks. I certainly hope you keep writing at some point in the future. I for one (and I'm not the only one) am excited to continue reading that story. But that's for later. For now, you don't need to update this patron any further. Just take care, we've got you!

Anonymous

I have enjoyed your content ever since "Damn, David Bowie. Just...damn." and I hope that signing up here helps support you & yours while you recover. Thank you for all the laughs & brain candy so far, and best wishes for whatever you decide is next.

Anonymous

Haters gonna hate. Imagine being such a bootlicker you'd ruin someone's livelihood over a fucking Disney movie. Never gonna go see that garbage now. Disney defending fascists can fuck right off.

Anonymous

It's completely fine that you don't know what to do right now. You had your livelihood destroyed for no reason and have suffered through a terrible amount of abuse. I think you've done the right thing in distancing yourself from the thing that was the source of a lot of pain, and it's okay if you need some time to figure out the next step. You don't owe us anything. As for writing, all I can say is plenty of authors publish things under a pen name(s) for a variety of reasons, so you might talk to your publisher about whether that's a good option for you. Best wishes.

Anonymous

Voice changer, vtuber avatar. BAM. New angle is done! Or a stunt double of some kind... Haha, or not. Just keep takin' care of yourself .

Anonymous

I'll echo those that have said there is no rush - worry about adding value to this patron when you're feeling better or you feel inspired again. Honestly I'm here for what you have already produced, I have no expectations of more. I have also really appreciated your honesty, candor and rawness about this situation. I think part of the insidious part of "cancel culture" is to guilt/shame those on the receiving end to stay silent about the mental, emotional, relational and other costs of this experience. Watching your Mask Off video was incredibly helpful to me last year as I was navigating a rash of "cancelings” in my little niche online community. It was the first time I watched friends unfairly targeted and was touched personally by the fallout of a dogpile. It was a lot and I wanted to try to understand this thing, to put words to what myself, my friends and my community was experiencing. Your video helped give words to my feelings, perspective and insight to my own situation. You helped me process, and to not feel so alone in a very dark time. I hate that you have had to go through this experience but I thank you for sharing your humanity with us in the midst of such a horrible time. You didn’t owe us that, you still don’t owe us anything. For now, I intend to support you because I still watch and rewatch your older content and also because no one deserves to endure what you are going through.

Anonymous

I was sad to hear that you’re pulling away from creating YouTube videos, because I like them, but you need to do what’s right for you. However I don’t think your name is really toxic except among the diet nazis though, and who cares what they think. They’re nazis.

Anonymous

You influenced the growth of some of my favorite parts of myself and had a clear impact on the growth of some of my favorite thinkers and speakers. Thank you. And thank you for stopping when you feel you're done, that's such a strong strong thing to do.

Anonymous

I will remain a patron, whatever it is you do or don't do in the near or far future. You're a fantastic creator and person, no matter what any troll or woke-scold says.

Anonymous

I know what you mean when you say you feel so angry you can't function. I felt like that for months after a mob chased me off my tiny internet community. But please, whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of believing whatever hurts most must be true. Listen to the people who love and support you because they're telling you the truth. Please don't dissappear. Don't give up creating and expressing what you believe. You inspired so many people. I get that you need time. I'm not trying to tell you not to take a break before the stress of it all breaks you. But my hope is that this isn't the last time we hear from you. It might be years from now. That's fine. Just keep going. Keep creating. Whether you choose to share it or not, your perspective is valuable.

Anonymous

Heal first. Find your way forward as you can. Know that there is a lot of love and respect for you out here in addition to all the crap the mob has spewed. And I hope this doesn't sound presumptuous, but I think we know you better than they do. ;-)

Anonymous

I'm a bit late to the party but anyway... No worries on the phrasing of your message Lindsay. I think I understand at some level what you are trying to say. I'm sorry for all the anguish you are going through. I rarely post on public forums for similar reasons and am amazed people can do it at all. I wish humans were more compassionate. I am supporting your Patreon so that you can figure out the next steps for you and your team.

Anonymous

Absolutely! I think we all assumed with the last post that it was the last bit of online content indefinitely - I'm definitely fine with continuing my support regardless!

Anonymous

I'm sure you don't need anyone here to tell you this, but your life and health absolutely come first, Lindsay. Speaking as an extremely low-tier supporter, I'm perfectly happy for you to prioritise those things and I don't need to see a business plan. I was going to write something clever about Maslow's heirarchy of needs but then I looked up that pyramid again and it doesn't really apply here, and I'm not sure it's all that useful anyway. The point is, you're great and we wish you the best. Take it steady and don't let the bastards grind you down.

Evan

I hope you continue your book series , you're an amazing author and I will continue to support whatever you do.

Anonymous

I plan to continue to support you on Patreon as long as you will let me. You are a wonderful writer, creator, and human being.

Anonymous

No rush. Take time and breathe.

Anonymous

I have a lot of gratitude for the joy and learning you've already in to my life and I decided to join because I wanted to express it and pay something of it back. We'll never know what it's like from the sidelines, but it sounds like you have every right to be hurt and angry. You shouldn't really be worrying about what us strangers say, but please don't worry about upsetting us, or about creating more if you feel you need too for the backers. I agree with the resounding answer I see here, is that we want to keep supporting you and the team so you can take the next step towards whatever is best for you. Please be a little selfish and please prioritise yourself!

Anonymous

Take all the time you need. I'm here to support you and your team!

Anonymous

I think the vast majority of us here are just concerned for your wellbeing and are more than OK with you taking as much time as you need. I hope you're able to focus on that.

Anonymous

Still here to support you, no expectations. Do, or don't do, whatever you need to!

Anonymous

Please focus on your mental health and let those of us who can continue to support you whether or not you can "be productive." A lot of people are trying to gaslight you into believing that what you've experienced isn't traumatic enough for you to need to step away, but you do. You can't kill yourself into working harder, being "stronger" or stiffening your lip, and making shit when the well is dry and you're broken down. Sleep. Be with the people who love you best. You can make decisions about long-term survival once you have the strength to do more than survive the moment, the day, the week. If you never come back to media/content or never finish your trilogy you will still have provided so many people with so many wonderful avenues for thought, so much comfort and delight. Wanting to do and give more is probably in your bones but I hope you are giving yourself permission to not do any of that, right now., or even ever again, if that's what you need for life. I'm horrified that people with nothing better to do have made what you are so great at feel untenable. But if it is long-term untenable, I need you to know it IS possible to start over and do something kinder/softer for yourself. You absolutely can survive this, and we'll be rooting for you throughout. I'll keep making my measly donations forever.

Anonymous

We support you LE! Take your time. Let these emotions run through. You’ll get on the other side of it and figure out what’s next. In the mean time, take care of yourself. A lot of us are here for the long haul! ♥️

Anonymous

Even if you never make content again I will stay subscribed to your patreon. Take your time doing what you need to do.

Anonymous

I'm not here because I'm expecting anything. I'm here to be supportive of a creator that's meant so much to me, as well as her team. I don't want to withdraw support at a time that must be really difficult. And those of us posting here represent a fan base that doesn't want content if it comes at the cost of your wellbeing. Please, do what you need to do, and don't do what you need to not do.

Anonymous

As someone currently taking time off from a job, I’m constantly racked with guilt that I’m not “bringing value”, but sometimes just being here is all we need. Thank you for staying connected to us. I’m with you through this.

Anonymous

Look, you have my support for the foreseeable future. Take as much time as you need off. Sometimes it isn't about YOU, lol. And by that, I mean: I deeply find value in supporting someone who provides value to my life, BUT ALSO, you clearly take care of the people who work for you and I take pride in supporting businesses that do that.

Anonymous

You have more support than you have enemies. The only problem is that enemies generally gain a bigger microphone than supporters because hate is a bigger draw in the online universe than love. Hate draws cameras and microphones just like CNN doing a 24-hour broadcast. You are a person in my mind of great empathy and intelligence and that was built on your videos. It's the reason I subbed to you in the first place and the reason I think a lot of us subbed. There doesn't need to be an answer to what happens next. You don't owe it to us and you definitely don't owe it to the toss bags on social media. Breathe, laugh, cry, drink, breathe again. Be a person. What happens next happens. (I know, stupid zen talk, but I mean it)

Anonymous

Just joined to show my support. Do absolutely whatever you feel like you need to for yourself and your team! Zero expectations from me.

Anonymous

Lindsay, I don't know if you read these comments, but I've admired and adore your work for years and years and years, like 2008-9-ish channel awesome stuff. I am naturally a nervous and avoidant person, but my heart shrank in fear to think this might be my one and only chance to write to you. I just wanted to tell you how much I admire you, even if you never see this. I want nothing more than for you to be healthy and happy. I've bought your books, and I loved them. Over the years of enjoying your content, I must have watched and re-watched your videos so many times-- sometimes just to fall asleep at night. I’ve shared them with friends and family. I'm so happy to be in a place now to give what I can to support you-- and for me, at least, this is how I view it. I want to support you. I can’t give much, but I want you to have a little to repay you for all you’ve given to me, because you have given me, a stranger on the internet, so very much. You were the first woman I ever watched that opened my mind and eyes to the nuance and power of a feminist lens. What you’ve taught me from your essays and work I carry with me every day; every time I think about creating something for myself, I feel encouraged by what I’ve learned, how I feel, what I think, and I think that confidence comes from viewing your videos. I see you the way a young reader carries favourite, ear-torn copies of their best loved books in a bookbag, or purse. You’re golden to me. Golden, to me, isn’t perfection-- golden is just a color, just a mixture of light and particles-- but the feeling I carry: the happiness, admiration, wonder of thinking of your videos and work stays with me, golden, the very same. Nothing will ever, ever, not never, change this. I don’t want to waste too much of your time--if you do see this, anyhow. The final wish I wanted to tell you is this: I want you to know that you've given enough. You've given, at least one person, so much happiness and joy. I can always re-read and re-watch, and that is enough for me. Not to be too much of a social-parasite, as you don't know me, and I don't know you-- but you have been a big sister type presence in my life when I felt like I had nothing. I've always admired you as a creator, commentator, comedian, and human. If you make nothing, I’ll be happy to support you. If you strike out on your own, make new things, crush them back up, toss it away, and stop working-- I still want to support you. I have no expectations of where the money goes, what it becomes, because I’m just so happy you’re still here. I’m just so happy to have found you on the internet when I did, for whatever random events allow me to find a keyword on YouTube that eventually lead me to find you as a creator. I just hope you, someway, somehow, feel better. I don’t know if you’ll ever, ever read this, and perhaps it’ll be lost in the myriad hundreds of other comments that I can only hope feel the same way I do. Lindsay, you’ve given so much. I just want to say thank you, in case you haven’t heard that in a while. Thank you, so much, for making me appreciate the world around me. Thank you for being here, for fighting to stay here. I want to support you no matter what, even if you were to leave the internet entirely, I’ll just hope that it means you’re happy wherever you end up next. Thank you for everything.

Anonymous

I joined because i have enjoyed your content for years and never pitched in. Just wanted to show support with no expectations. Take care of yourself!

frank sands

Take care of yourself. I love your work and lived both books. Thank you for all your videos, they were a highlight of my day whenever they appeared

Preda

It would be a terrible mistake for you to stop writing

Anonymous

You don't owe shit to anyone, you changed YouTube and the video essay format by showing a) video essays can be absolute bangers and b) there is an audience for thoughtful/insightful longform video essay content. Fuck your detractors, you are an absolute rock star. I'll watch/read anything you have a hand in creating, and I've already upped my pledge amount. #Ellis4Ever.

Anonymous

As much as I love your videos, podcast, and pretty much anything you've ever done, you owe no one anything but what you feel comfortable giving. So if that means you need to pull back from public-facing content to pursue the writing you clearly love doing, to protect that passion, then do it. I think your loudest detractors would like to make you think that your name is "toxic," when in fact, they aren't the ones who'd be reading your books in the first place. You didn't get on the NYT bestseller list because of angry Twitter trolls buying your novel en masse. So if being able to keep doing what you love means pulling back from spaces where others can abuse you, then do it!

AndreGG

You don't owe anyone anything, and after all the amazing videos you've published, I will continue to support this patreon until the very end.

Anonymous

Hi, Lindsay. I only joined your patreon recently, after I heard that you were leaving Youtube. I've enjoyed your content for a long time, held it up to students both as an example and as direct content and commentary, and recommended it to friends and peers. I hope you can find some peace by stepping away and that, in time, you'll find a way to enjoy exercising your voice and your creativity again. And whether or not you do, you've left behind an amazing legacy and inspired a whole generation of young thinkers and creators. You've already achieved far more than most people ever will.

Anonymous

Im not paying for this patreon for new content, but for what you have already given me and countless others already and am happy paying 2 bloody dollars forever so please rest and do whats best for you!

Anonymous

With 500+ comments above me I'm not sure if this will get read. But I joined to show my support for you, so here goes. The absolute BULL SHIT targeted harrassment you've endured is more than anyone could be expected to tolerate and manage with a clear head. It's no wonder you're stressed out, anxious, terrified, furious, depressed and/or anything else you might be feeling right now. It is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain good judgment in the middle of the shit you've been put through. And that's without having to consider the business end of things and supporting your employees. Thus, you don't owe ANYONE ANYTHING. You don't owe anything to your patreon subscribers - if we want to leave then we will. You don't owe anything to your fans, your haters, your friends, youtube commenters - ANYONE. You are worth far too much, inherently as a human being. And you have already GIVEN so much to the left/breadtube community as a whole, to owe anyone anything. Your owing anything is off the table. Forget it entirely. Please feel 1000% entitled to take my and your 11,000 other patrons' $3 and take some time off (yes I know all the money doesn't go directly to you but you get the point). Take the damn money and take a month or two or six to do nothing but whatever helps you heal, first and foremost. EVERYTHING else can come after this. Take some god damn time off and come back to the table when you feel like that's something you can do freely. If you come back to YouTube, cool. I'm definitely going to miss you, especially when it comes to funny shit like the Addison Cain drama. Your attitude and video personality is genuinely hilarious and I'll miss it. But if you don't come back or you come back in a diminished capacity, that's fine too. Change your handle, use an avatar/character in videos like some others do, or pass the torch and help another creator write, edit, etc. Or just don't come back just as a 'fuck you'. Whatever you choose, it's gonna be the right choice. If I never see you again on youtube, I'm OK with that as long as I know you're alive and more or less okay. I'll keep paying the $3 because god knows the addison cain video alone brought drunk me and my friends so much entertainment, I really owe ya one.

Anonymous

My donations are backpay for a decade+ of insightful, hilarious content that helped make me a wiser, more thoughtful person. If you never make anything public ever again, I will still feel my money was well spent.

just me

You have my $5/mo for the foreseeable future - and I hope it becomes another drop in the bucket of funds needed to keep your business running while you focus EXCLUSIVELY on healing. Your feelings are completely valid - your overwhelm is absolutely valid. I'm GLAD you provided us the last message you did - because you were your authentic self - and if it was hard to read, it's also really hard to live your life right now. If someone could read your agony - or watch the video about being canceled - and NOT feel your pain and rage running through them, then they need to get an emotional health check up. All the love in the world from a fan of your videos - and now to go watch Addison Cain one more time... with gusto! :D

Anonymous

I think most people who support you are fine and understand you taking an online sabbatical (or cutting it off completely). I know it's not that easy, but I hope you can take the steps that you need to heal and find something that makes you happy, regardless of what it is.

Anonymous

I'm happy to continue supporting here with or without new content. I consider it long overdue for how much you have given me over the years. I just picked up both your books for Christmas before hearing anything about this but I hope you're on the way to a better place emotionally. If I ever run into you in person I'll be sure to thank you for all the good times.

Anonymous

Lots of love & support. Take your time, take care of you 🖤

Anonymous

I know a message of support from some random stranger on the internet doesn't really mean anything, but I still wanted to say that I've been a fan since you played the Nostalgia Chick and your videos have had a massive impact on the way I view media. I even referenced your Omegaverse video in my masters dissertation on copyright law. Obviously, the most important thing is that you should take care of yourself. Please keep the patreon active as long as you need even if you never post another video and I hope you continue to get revenue from your existing videos because I'm going to keep watching them over and over again. Thank you for everything you've done down the years. I hope you don't mind that I'm praying for you to find the peace you deserve.

Anonymous

Please keep my money. You deserve it. I hate that you’re hurting and deeply hope the fact that hundreds of us are so grateful for all you’ve given us that both our financial and personal support remain safely in your keeping will give you a little bit of light in what must feel like a world of darkness. I’m sorry I didn’t jump to your defense when I would see hate-filled replies to your comments. I dunno if this helps at all but, I can promise you I’ll be coming to the defense of other creators being thrown to the wolves. Thank you for everything Lindsay. Even if I never see or hear anything from you in the future, my life will continue to be made so much richer by what you’ve already given to all of us.

Anonymous

Add value by taking care of yourself and, if/when you're ready to create again, do so. Also, if there are ways we can help your collaborators (other than continuing our patreon memberships) and you are able to, please let us know.

Anonymous

To echo the sentiments posted here: - we love what you have done - we are angry at the way you are being treated - you don't have to apologize for expressing yourself - you deserve a break, we still support you

Anonymous

It ok. You don't have to have all the answers. You were and are in the horendus avalanche of a situation. You don't have to know which way up for a while. I hope you will find it eventually. It is nice to have a plan in one's head. Or I hope the sniffing dogs will sniff you and help you with getting out. But it's ok to just focus on this little work that still needs to be done and in the meantime slowly process future options. It's ok. Things take time and you are tired. I can't speak for other patrons, but I think there are more who think this way. Think there are more who will stay. Have an uneventful and calm day, dear.

Christine D

Oh, Lindsay... You don't owe us an apology for saying how you feel, you don't owe us anything. I profoundly hope you'll feel able to continue to write, in part because Truth of the Divine hit me in so many deep and profound ways, and I want to follow the story - but more than anything, I want you to do whatever you need to heal and live your best life. The way you've been treated has been horrific, and your pain and fury is not only understandable but something I'm sure many of us have felt intensely too. You've created so much great work, given so much to me and many others... fuck the haters, may they all smother in Erik's mirrored room with the heat turned up to gunpowder.

Adventuress

You do you. We'll miss you and your intelligence and wit, but I'd rather see you take a break than break yourself.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, I just wanted to take the time to let you know that I have greatly enjoyed your work over the years and greatly appreciate to have more complex conversation about movie and pop culture. Over the years you and your team have brought a lot of joy,laughter thought and insight to me, and I am truly sorry that it came at such an unbearably high personal cost to you. I don't know if you reads these comments or not, but if chance you do, Thank you. I will continue to re watch many of your videos. I hope you find some sort of piece and confront this year.

Anonymous

Thank you for the update. I'm sorry that your responsibilities are keeping you from doing what you need to start healing. Genuinely. Just doing the paperwork for my disability claim has added cumulative months to my own recovery. I understand your frustration at not being able to cope the way you want to. You are not responsible for what happened or what is continuing to be happening. "Don't give them an excuse" is not the attitude of a balanced system. They do what they must because they can. There is nothing selfish in taking care of yourself. You sustained an injury at work of a scope and type most people can't fully process. I hate that despite these unsafe working conditions there is no safety net or protocol laid out for you. It's not selfish to survive. I hope you can learn to thrive again when you are ready. Be kind to yourself. I wish the internet was.

ardwolff

I'm sure this will be buried and maybe you are already utilizing these resources but because multiple people dear and close to me have been canceled (most of them unfairly) I thought I'd share what has helped us. I think these sources are equally if not more important for those who engage in cancellations in the name of social justice - Sarah Schulman's book Conflict is Not Abuse - the writings and podcast (Fucking Cancelled) of Clementine Morrigan - Chimimanda Ngozi's essay on cancel culture - copious amounts of therapy and self work

Anonymous

As a supporter, I can't wait to see what the next leg of this journey entails, whether it leads to the end entirely or a whole new transformative process. You got me to spend an unreasonable amount of time watching content about transformers and musical theater. I'm sure whatever else you create will be just as entertaining. And I know I shouldn't mention the assholes, but you shouldn't regret that post. Girl you were just being honest about how you felt. I was once that level of honest and vulnerable before, only to be called an abuser and a gaslighter for it, which as a survivor of abuse myself, fucking hurt like hell. It made me feel like I was becoming my abuser. That's the thing about abusers, optics never mattered with them. It doesn't matter if you have a million subscribers or none, someone would have found a way to turn your words against you, with the goal of hurting you. And as people who have been hurt themselves, they're really fucking good at it. I'll stay a patron 'til you come back or tell me it's not needed anymore. Take care of yourself!

Christine D

Just have to reply to this connecting to the disability claim paperwork thing... I'm in the UK so probably a different system, but it's seriously downright traumatizing. Has added many months to my attempted recovery too. So random empathy to you from a random internet stranger.

Anonymous

f*&#k *t... I can't seem to figure out how to write with carriage returns... Ahh... got it Lindsay, I to thank you for all of your many in-depth and entertaining pieces of content. I have learned more than I ever thought I wanted to about omegaverse and Disney politics. I have shared your work with many friends and spent many hours giggling at your snarky humor. I am terribly sorry that you are suffering for being you. I don't think what you said was offensive, I wish it was an actual dialogue of ideas instead of people just yelling what they think you said. I am sorry that sharing your vulnerability lead to people using that against you more. I hope the best for you in your endeavors and hope to one day see a return of your witty commentary... but also understand if that part of your life is over for you. Thank you for the all that I have learned through your lectures Prof Ellis. :)

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay, I know from experience how fucking hard it can be to live with trauma and I completely understand your reasons for not wanting to make content anymore. Just know I've been a fan of yours ever since your NC days and wherever your journey leads I will support you.

Anonymous

Dude if you never made any content ever again, just know that what you HAVE put out there has been nothing short of deeply entertaining, and is very often extremely illuminating and very funny. I'll miss ya, but you gots to do you and figure out how to process all this craziness and see where it drops you. If nothing else, I hope to impart my sincerest thank you for the content you've put up because it's made me a better writer and better observer. I listen for things I didn't before. I look for things I didn't before, and I'm more open to things that earlier in life I may not have even given the time of day to. Thank you for the humor, the sass, the suuuuuuuuuper long but intensely well thought out analyses-- and for generally making this weird life more bearable. I'm so, so, SO sorry that people are shitty. I wish you the best, best, BEST of luck moving ahead, and know that if you do decide to come back with some new shit for us I'll keep my eyes peeled for it! Take it easy, homie. Take it real, real easy. You deserve a fucking break. <3

Viera Galikova

YOU. ARE. A. GOOD. PERSON. haters and bullies only come to remind us that we need to love ourselves more, appreciate our own strengths more, be more grateful for all our abilities, be more kind to ourselves. That is the only reason they come. To teach us that we need to show more compassion to ourselves, so that anxiety has no space in us anymore. Accept that you are a good, well meaning, kind person. Please.

Anonymous

Keep fighting Sweet P! I'll support you forever! <3

Anonymous

Haters are beneath you. Sending so much love. Feel those feels. Here for all of it, good and bad. And here for you. 🖤

Kyle Rudy

Thank you for your thoughtfulness and hard work. Whatever course you must set to find yourself in a place where you feel happy and safe again, you will remain an inspiration to me. No one deserves the joy you've put into the world more than you.

Adam

It’s okay to take time to figure out the next step, take care of yourself first.

Mats Burhammar

I actually only signed up after the previous update (walking away...). And I did that without any expectations on any plan or additional content from you. Your videos have been very valuable to me over the years, so I just wanted to toss a couple of dollars in there to help keep things afloat (or at lest stop things from crashing quite as hard) while you do figure out what you'll do next.

Anonymous

I'll reiterate what everyone's above has been saying- that you are an incredibly intelligent, funny, and important person and creator. Take the time you need and if/when you want to come back, you'll have people who love you who will celebrate whatever you make next. And I want to share some advice that I got when I was starting treatment for my ptsd- You have a right to your own feelings and you're not responsible for how other people react to you. Easier said than done and I let them get to me all the time too, but sometimes I just need to hear it- Whatever shit they're saying has very little to do with you, but if you give them your energy, they'll just keep stealing your spoons all day long because that's what thieves do. Sorry if I'm coming off as condescending; my intention is to counicate that none of this is your fault without going all Good Will Hunting. As Ben said to Leslie- Win, lose, or draw, we're proud of everything you've done.

Anonymous

I feel like the people who associate your name with being "toxic" are people who don't read books anyway...so I think you're probably good on that front, at least?

Anonymous

Ms. Ellis, If I may say, I believe you are doing the right thing by distancing yourself from the public. But you are telling yourself lies. Lies that people who are toxic to you tell you. Your name is not "toxic" among people who enjoy reading. YOU are not toxic or evil or hated by ANYONE who is not toxic themselves. I don't know much about grief, but I do understand rage. I understand real hate. And you need a way to let that go. If jumping on here and you do a cathartic outburst, that's fine. (Though thanks to busy bodies, I think you should do that with friends.) Maybe take up something physical, like Kickboxing. (I used to fence and that helped a lot!) Take a break from all this and spend time being human. Play with your dog. Read silly books. Build puzzles and models. Just enjoy being you. Live like you're 12 years old, except married. Go have fun without thinking it needs to be content. And no one owns you or any piece of you. Just because someone has given you money, it does not mean they own you. And that includes us, who know you are talented, brilliant, sensitive, and a GOOD person. And I, for one, have no plans on leaving your patreon. Sorry, kid. You already proved to me you deserve support and are a good person. I am not leaving: content or no.

Anonymous

Hi there, I have a few words to say before I peace out. I’ve been supporting Lindsay on this page for a number of years and even before that I’ve been following her since the NC days. Up until today I always thought she was an honest, square dealing and thoughtful essayist and cultural critic. I’ve shown clips of hers in class and have offered constructive input when I though I had something to contribute. I’m just a nobody so I don’t expect what I have to say about career advice to mean much but I do feel invested enough to give my two-cents. I saw the previous months last post (the “I’m quitting the internet FOREVER”,”I haven’t told the people who depend on me for a living, before writing this”) and I thought something like this might happen a short time later (“well, maybe I wont”). Honestly this kind of behaviour is very common in the youtubers of old like Onision. I don’t think it’s inappropriate, it’s manipulative, whether that was the intention of Lindsay or not. You can’t make an I Quit video and then a week later renege on that. I’m not unsympathetic to people with mental health problems. I’ve delt with it, I’ve got family members who have dealt with it. It’s totally cool to say “I’m feeling down and I need a break”. What’s not cool is to use people to feel validated. It’s not cool to play emotional hostage with the public. Let me just say, Lindsay has made a career about having spicey internet hot takes. Some bad ones, and I have a lot of respect for her for owning up to that. This is what separates her from a lot of others. If you legitimately can’t continue because you feel bad about getting dog piled on twitter for saying and accidental racist thing, you really shouldn’t be in this game. And you’ve been doing this long enough to know that. It’s kid stuff. It’s not your fault but there where better ways to deal with this.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, I just wanted to say I have really enjoyed all of your video and podcast content, and that's why I am still a patron. I will continue to hope for more LE "content" but you don't owe us internet strangers anything. Please take care of yourself and your family! I strongly hope 2022 is better than 2021 for all of us, but especially for you.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay. I plan on supporting your Patreon through 2022 regardless if you release content or not. I hope your other fans do so as well and give your staff time to transition. IMHO you don’t need to apologize. You are hurting and you have every right to express how hurt you are. I hope you feel better and find peace.

Anonymous

Hi Linsday. I'm definitely one of the people who's heart broke reading your latest update, but I don't begrudge your honesty. I only wish you all the best going forward. If you never post another thing on this or any other platform, it will have been worth it to see your content. You are a creator whose content has both inspired and comforted me for years, and I'll always appreciate that. I hope more than anything that you can get out from under this wave of hate and backlash, not even professionally, but personally. I hope you get to feel good, like a person again, like more than just a tarnished brand, because you are so much more than that. Not just to like, me and the other people you have parasocial relationships with. But to the people who love you, the people you love. Because you deserve to love yourself, or at least have the relationship with yourself that you did prior to all of this horseshit. Going forward, I wish you every happiness. Or at least, every boring neutrality. Btw, my cat is a tuxedo cat, and his pattern makes him look like he's always wearing a Phantom mask. Thought you'd enjoy. Wishing you the best.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay. I just found out about your decision, and it's the reason I returned to Patreon. I fully plan on supporting you through this platform, even if it takes me a while to get used to navigating it. Best wishes from a little old place in Croatia.

Anonymous

take a break, find your spirit animal and learn to cope with things. none of your arguments seem "real" to me in the sense that it just seems to be other people needlessly controlling your mind. take the pressure out, no matter how. stick to yourself. get well. we have your back.

Anonymous

you don't owe anyone any explanation for your feelings I'll support you no matter what content you want to do.

Anonymous

I really hope you see, even just based on all of your continued patreon support alone, that the goodwill you have for your name is massive and well earned. End of the Obama era was around the time I was really solidifying my current political beliefs, and around the time I watched your Rent video, and really internalized the Reagan administrations failings to address a deadly pandemic, and how it hurt real people. It still makes me tear up to watch. That is as good a point as any for me to attribute a change in my understanding of politics, to the importance of being based in love for other people. You will have always given me that, and a lot more. And I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of other small stories like that. At least no internet asshole can take that from us, or the credit for doing that from you.

Anonymous

I don't know what to say other than that your value is inherent, not dependent on whether or not you create content. Take whatever time you need, built whatever filters you can between you and the internet, and please try to find a way to internalize the fact that there are so many more people who value you than don't.

Anonymous

I don't get what's going on but please delete Twitter and stop blowing up your professional life. Find some old, offline friends to talk career transitions and hold your social passwords for a while I'll support you through the end of 2022. Don't worry about making content, Patreon is about providing income stability, it's not a streaming service The bestseller and PBS contract are super impressive achievements

Anonymous

You have my admiration for everything you’ve created. Whatever media you produce in the future I will follow. I hope you choose what is best for you. I’ll continue with my Patreon support in what small way I can

NativeRunner

Trauma is personal and it's not applied the same to all people. It seems humans keep making the false pattern recognition mistake and can't stop no matter what it pertains too. Trauma recovery is also personal. I hope you find a place of peace and I know your friends understand. I'll continue my support.

Anonymous

I hate that you have gone through all of this. I respect your work and your insight on things, and I will deeply miss your video essays. I understand your decision, but I wish the best to you and your future projects.

Anonymous

I wish I could say something to make things right, but I can't, for all that is worth, I wish you have the space to heal from this poison that is being visible online and depending on that for money. It will be a long process but a healthier one

Tabea Zeltner

My mum read and liked your books but she has no idea who you are. She doesn't know what you look like or that you ever did videos. Yes, your name is attached to those books. But your name is two words. There are thousands and thousands more on those pages.

Deer Prudence

The money is here to stay, no matter what. You deserve at least that much already and nothing is ever going to change that.

Anonymous

Personally I would just be happy to see content you produce if you don't want to be the talent or Infront of the camera. For me your name is generally an indicator of quality and I have enjoyed the creators who you have helped give platform. Hope you find a way to continue to do good work in a way that keeps you happy and healthy. Also really want to see where axioms end goes. Super love the characters and world.

Anonymous

I think you shouldn't feel you have you to explain yourself to everyone. You have your reasons for your choices. The people who are unreasonably critical are not fans. They don't matter. People who are fans will look past this pile on.

Anonymous

I don't use any social media (other than YouTube) and I don't usually look at or engage in comments, so I don't really know what's happened outside of your updates. Still, I'm shocked and saddened by what you've been going through. I have greatly enjoyed your creative voice and your video essays, especially. I hope to hear your creative voice again in the future, but that is your choice to make. First, please take care of yourself. Your worth is not defined by your online presence, and I will remain your fan even if you never "produce content" again. You have opened my mind to new and interesting ways of thinking about media and for that I will always be grateful.

Anonymous

I am late to this party, but I will happily support your art here on Patreon, selfishly hoping to be in the know before your next book comes out. I hate it that I stumbled on you around the time you announced your departure from YouTube... NerdSync led me to Readus 101 led me to you with your Starscream. <3 Please do keep writing. We'll keep reading.

alexis

i usually lurk but dropping in to say that like others i’m here for 2022. I can’t guarantee beyond but hopefully a year of unconditional support from us is enough either to get you past this bullshit or for you to make a decision to leave for good, with time for your employees to find other work for what it’s worth, you’re unknown to almost everybody I know. hundreds of people may have toxic feelings towards you and your work, but there are thousands and millions of people out there who have no feelings or just goodwill. so I think getting out of personally video making is probably good for you, but I have no doubt that your writing can and will still thrive in other venues. your books (which I admittedly haven’t read since I arbitrarily stopped reading books in 2014) will do well, and you can definitely flex your writing skills working for and with others. but that’s only if you want to obviously - just wanted to reinforce that your name isn’t ruined and doesn’t need to be the focal point of any work you put out either all the best. I hope you can find equilibrium

Anonymous

Yes, this situation sucks. But the cancel steamroller will move on to the next victim. Keep creating. You are talented and have an audience that loves your work.

Samantha M. Quinn

I have been watching you for a very long time, and your posts have always given me joy. Your ideas are interesting and your opinions insightful. I love your wit, dry humor and snark. It is your personality, and anyone who doesn't get that shouldn't comment. However, being a public figure has all sorts of potential pitfalls, and what happened to you is both unfair and unfortunately the nature of the current state of online culture. I haven't supported you before, save for subscribing to your YouTube and buying your books, but I am going to now. I hope whatever you decide to do will pan out, and I look forward to your content no matter the form.

Conrad

Thank you for your years of providing me insightful, enjoyable content. Good luck!

Anonymous

So.. I'm supporting, because I have enjoyed your content for a long time as well, and think this climate of interpreting everything in the _least_ charitable light is ... deeply irritating. But I have a more important question.. What is a "diet nazi"??? Yes, I already googled it...

Anonymous

Lindsay your name is not toxic. People are toxic. Social media is toxic. “F*** the haters.” - Starscream

Kenneth Merriman

I'm still your fan and you are still good in my book. Your analysis has always been good and your videos are entertaining.

Anonymous

Im going through so much of this type of anxiety in my personal life. Dont feel guity or selfish. The bad actors are succeeding, I understand and just wish i could say the right thing to not blame you. That evil voice i fight daily. . Your loved, and just know that none of this is something that is not what most of us would do (if we were honest with ourselves..)

Anonymous

Bambi taught me "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". However, society today seems to be divided on how to act when you do have something nice to say. Some people argue that you should ~always share nice things~, while others feel that you are wasting OTHER PEOPLE'S valuable time and conveying only your OWN inflated ego by doing so. I feel that you, specifically, are busy and overwhelmed right now. You have indicated that you have been struggling financially and emotionally. By engaging with your Patreon I am possibly using up a fraction of the time allotted for the moderation of comments. This makes me feel guilty and self-indulgent and I have vacillated on whether to write this message since you have posted your update. Normally I wouldn't. I tend to keep to myself. I don't have social media, don't follow celebrities, and rarely post comments. But I have followed you since before I withdrew quite so thoroughly. And, honestly, what has happened to you over the past however-many-months has been linked to my own retreat back under This Rock. I imagine that it can be uncomfortable receiving messages from "fans". Countless celebrities have recounted funny stories about meeting someone they personally admire; their experience of childlike apprehension as they stumble over words and make an utter fool of themselves. On one hand, you want to let your role model know the impact they have had on you and/or that you're not just someone who is looking to sell an autograph on eBay. On the other hand, the effort made once by a crowd of "Trekkies" to rip off William Shatner's clothes was far from flattering. You cover complex issues such as this with great depth (and humor) in your videos such as "Manufacturing Authenticity (For Fun and Profit!)" and "Death of the Author". So, although I will say that your videos have great depth and humor, and I am a fan of your content, I am much more concerned about YOU as a person (not that my opinion matters). And although I give a shit about you as a person, I realize that (as you mentioned in the videos above) anything I think I *know about you* is potentially just part of your *curated image*. I am fine with that possibility. I still care about "whoever you are". So all of this was preamble (sorry) to say: I can't stop thinking about one sentence from your most recent Patreon post: "Every time I start [ trying to write an update] it just all comes out rage and bile. I’m just so fucking angry I can’t function, let alone make coherent business decisions." As of today (1/12/2022), I do not know how you are feeling. I hope things are better. And, I know it is not necessarily realistic to expect that. I have had A LOT of struggle with my own ""mental health"" ( I have been legally committed, locked in psych wards, forced into residential treatment...etc. due to depression and an eating disorder) and along the way, I have come across some helpful ideas that have helped ME a lot. Although I am trying to be "helpful", I do not want to say ANY of this condescendingly, imply you have not also struggled, or do not also know plenty [all] of this. I am really terrible at writing (! early-onset dementia !) and this has taken me several days. I truly apologize if anything reads in the wrong way but here are just my two cents which you (or anyone who happens to read this) can, of course, take or leave. Lao Tzu is credited with the saying: “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” On its own, I find the phrase pretty helpful; it highlights the idea that our "emotions" are a result of where our "minds" reside. Writing that out, I realize that I would have dismissed that idea as "hippy-dippy crap" in the past but now I think it is solidly grounded in reality. I am a Big Science Nerd (BS in biochemistry), ethnically Jewish, but secular, atheist, white, and living in the US, and am not a spiritual or "hippy" type at all. Even so, one of my other favorite quotes nowadays is from Mahatma Gandhi: "Nobody can hurt me without my permission". The first time I heard that my sassy teenager brain was like, "yeah? What if someone takes a hot iron poker and stabs you with it? That would hurt, whether you agree to it or not! CHECKMATE, GANDHI!" (Clearly, I was a very cool person.) But then I thought about people like Ashlyn Blocker (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/magazine/ashlyn-blocker-feels-no-pain.html), who famously suffers from Congenital insensitivity to pain, a condition in which a person cannot feel physical pain. Although the absence of pain may seem to be a "superpower", Ashlyn's experience highlights the way that even simple daily activities can be dangerous without an internal warning system. Throughout her life, she has constantly injured herself without being aware of it. The opposite of this experience would be endured by those with conditions such as fibromyalgia, allodynia, or hyperalgesia where the patient may experience debilitating, screaming pain, often caused by something as negligible as a mosquito landing or the breeze from a fan. (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/09/700823481/invisibilia-for-some-teens-with-debilitating-pain-the-treatment-is-more-pain) Experiences on both sides of the spectrum of the experience of physical pain demonstrate that, in fact, pain IS "in our heads." No, most people can't put their hand on a hot stove and decide not to feel pain, but even on the purely scientific level, our experience of pain (emotional AND physical) is FULLY experienced within ourselves. And, back to Ashlyn, that experience is a GOOD thing. It evolved for a reason. But...what is the reason? When it comes specifically to anger, the helpful nugget I came across was something along the lines of: Anger is caused by a sense of injustice, unfairness, and/or betrayal. Sometimes people are angry because something feels unfair and IS. Sometimes people are angry when they do not get what they feel entitled to (this, to them, feels like unfairness). People do not typically get ANGRY if the outcome is expected (even if it is bad). People often feel more baseline ANGRY at a trusted/admired/loved person who becomes no longer trusted/admired/loved - the switch alone can feel like a betrayal. People may be angrier about injustice experienced by someone else compared with negative but "fair" outcomes that affect them. (eg. your friend was fired due to prejudice VS. you were fired because you were an hour late to work every day ) When anger is caused by the betrayal it is not easily forgotten, even if the "issue is resolved" (eg. a stolen item returned) or "justice is served" (eg. a rapist is in prison). From my perspective under This Rock, your experience seems to fit the model of injustice leading to anger. You have stated that you are angry and what happened to you was completely unjustified, shitty, and unfair. It bothers me so deeply, it makes me feel physically ill and makes my eyes well up with tears. Trust me when I say this, I don't get invested in strangers' lives nor do I have a great deal of "emotional dysregulation" but this whole situation has really made me feel deeply sad FOR you and bad ABOUT humanity. And I have NO connection to this issue. I can't imagine what it would be like to be you. However, given my highly unprofessional, uneducated, interpretation I feel like efforts to repress your emotions and return to "running a business" (while still painfully aware of that unfairness ) will not be good for you. That being said, please make a Patreon Tier so that we can elect to support you while specifically NOT asking for anything from you. Again, anger, like pain, is telling you to do something. But what, exactly, is it telling you to do? I honestly don't think I am equipped to give advice. There are lots of discussions about this issue that deal with it more articulately than I do. I think framing what happened to you as an act of violence or violation/trauma and/or grief/loss (of business/life..etc). I think both/either are honestly appropriate (my opinion). I was going to share some resources but I think I'll just leave one I particularly like and the rest up to you. I love this podcast. I think it is best listened to starting with episode 1 and going from there. : https://www.happinesslab.fm/ Best of wishes. Take care of yourself. Thanks for everything you've created.

Anonymous

Dear Lindsay, I'm so sorry about what has happened to you. It is not fair, it is not acceptable. Your hurt and your anger is valid. I wish there was some way we could help, but in a way I think even we who support you are part of the problem. I hope that you have people around you who know and value you as a person. Remember, you are not in any way obligated towards us your "audience". You can move on, and focus on yourself. Thank you for all of the wonderful content you have produced through the years. You have done your bit. I wish you the very best for whichever path you decide to pursue.

Anonymous

I don’t know what the opposite of ‘toxic’ is, but whatever it is, that’s what your name and your work are, to me and to so many. You owe us nothing, and I am so appreciative of all you’ve already given, as well as grieved by how much doing so has cost you. But I know you will get through this. Communities built on love will always outlast those built on hate.

Anonymous

You don't deserve what you've been going through. I can totally understand wishing that you'd phrased things differently in your last update, but you aren't responsible for coaxing people into behaving like reasonable people. They're the ones choosing to act like dipshits. I (and I'm sure gobs of others here) fully support you taking time to heal without worrying about what your next Product for your Patreons!! will be. Personally, I hope that you have some space to breathe, and that (if you choose) you've had success in something you mentioned in an interview with TFD over the summer: finding a therapist who understands this level of social media. We're only seeing a curated sliver of your experience, yes. But as someone with cPTSD, I know that the cycle of being eviscerated online, enduring it, then going back because it's how you and others pay for necessities is ... a lot. And honestly, I also hope that you aren't reading these comments (or at least, not right now). You deserve a break, and that includes a break from all of us.

Anonymous

Lindsey, I was watching you since you beginnings at Channel Awesome ( branded as TGWTG that time, if i remember correctly). Recently I haven't watch you very often TBH, but I was watching some of your videos from time to time. Accidentally I found about all the drama and your quit. I've just joined your Pateron to be up to date and to support you somehow. I feel sorry for you and angry for all the situation. But the most I fell (negatively) amazed how such situation escalated so much. It looks surreal to me. I heard about few situations like that, but this one looks very extreme. I wish you all the best to you. I wish you won't be blaming yourself. — You can always do something better, but you never deserved of any what happened to you. I also wish, that all the drama will help you with selling your book. I know that it was never your intention, but I think it makes you more recognizable and I don't think your name is toxic. At least this situation can bring something positive. Honestly I've never heard about your book, but I'm going to check it out and I'll consider buying it.

Anonymous

So I was cancelled in the cosplay community in 2019, but on a microscopic scale compared to yourself. I lost 0.1% of my Instagram following (the only loss I noticed because it's the platform I use most), lost a couple of acquaintances I didn't know very well (which still hurt, as we shared a mutual appreciation for each other's work), and was disappointed in/had to forgive every close friend who didn't publicly defend me (because I'm human, and we're needy like that). The smartest thing I did was turn off comments from people who do not follow me on Insta, which was the source of the most visible abuse pointed in my direction (because I don't really give a flip about Twitter). One of my favorite comments was someone saying they would curb stomp me, so you know, they really found the moral highground, amirite? I dredge all these shitty memories up for one reason only---to tell you that it DID pass. Granted, I did the math and I believe I have 5% of your following, so obviously, your abuse is much greater and thus inevitably, will be much longer lasting. But it will pass, and the rational folks of the internet will be waiting for whatever you do next because we love your brain. The end. P.S. It literally makes me nervous to publicly talk about my cancellation (am I shaking a little because my basement is cold, or because of cancellation-induced trauma?? You decide!) for fear of it being rehashed, even in the comment section of a private Patreon. So in that sense, my abusers kinda won. Yaaaay.

Anonymous

Lindsey Ellis, I'm just a long-time subscriber. I brag on you to people who don't follow you, describing you as an insightful and thorough reviewer, with a sense of humor both devious and self-aware, and a much beloved aspiring-wine-mom performance. I've always appreciated your work, and I've looked forward to anything you've come up with. I subscribed to this Patreon not just because I want to keep following your work, but because I appreciate your honesty and your willingness to be open about some truly awful things. And I hate that you feel your openness and honesty has backfired so much, because I applaud those things as a form of courage and, yes, a form of your signature insight. I'm sorry you were ever taken to a place where you thought being openly yourself was selfish. Outrage sells. In our internet age, where human contact and connection have been slowly replaced by clicks, friended accounts and subscribership, outrage makes people feel less alone. And so they'll keep being outraged about all kinds of stupid crap for as long as there's a market for it. But there's also an appetite for your insight and your candidness. I'd genuinely never thought about some of the things you've discussed, and it's opened my eyes to a lot of new ways of thinking. It's been very inspiring to see what you make. And at this moment, I'm less concerned about enjoying more of your work and more grateful that you have been, as always, honest and insightful. So, I raise a glass to you, one of the real ones. If I had one wish for you, it'd be that you can take the time you need, guiltless and unhurried, to decide what will make you happiest. And if I had another, I'd hope that perceptive sass of your's brings you joy and strength again. Be well, and remember that some of us still think you're iconic.

Anonymous

I want you to know that I completely support you. I feel it's so tremendously tragic that brilliant people like yourself (like anyone) can be hurt so badly through our society. I feel there ought to be a YouTube content creators union to provide a safety net for crises like this. It's bad enough that you've been targeted by the rage machine for some nothingburger but then to struggle with the financial survival of several dependents on top of that, all while the business of YouTube continues to chug along unconcerned with the carnage it leaves behind. It's unjust.

Anonymous

For anyone who is struggling with the consequences of social backlash, isolation and trauma, I would reccommend the TED Talk "The price of shame" by Monica Lewinsky. She really understands what it feels like to be publicly criticized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8y0WLm78U

Anonymous

The ongoing pain you are suffering hurts my heart. Like most folks here, I wanted to send a note of support but found James captured my feels so completely, further thoughts would be redundant. I hope you heal what you can, amputate what you can't, and derive a modicum of solace from the folks here whose lives are better with you in it.

Anonymous

Thank you for sharing that story. Would you possibly be willing to talk to me a bit more personally? I am trying to create a resource for people who are going through this.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsey. Take your time, let yourself rest as long as you need. You were and are still an inspiration for me. I hope that you will survive this dark times and get better, but I know it takes time. Hang on there!

Anonymous

I hope you get through this okay. Thank you for all of your content. I've been a fan since your NC days and thanks to you, I've developed a greater appreciation for film.

Anonymous

I just subscribed here to reach out because I had heard you were quitting youtube content creation. I just wanted to say thank you, and I'm sorry. I'm thankful for all of your content (youtube, twitter, books) and I am sorry for every negative thing that it has brought you. Take care of yourself Ms. Ellis. From Germany, with admiration and affection, Jacob Andersen

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay - I don't know if you'll see this, but I just wanted to tell you that I'm a longtime viewer of your content and have dearly appreciated all that you've brought to us over the years. I've learned a lot from your videos and also gotten many laughs out of it. All that being said, I'm really sorry that you've had to go through all of this pain and hope that you find whatever is right for you at the end of all this - I would totally understand if you don't continue with any of the same kinds of content you've been doing or don't produce content for the public at all anymore. I wish you the best either way, wherever life takes you!

Anonymous

Your creations, whether video or written, have taught me so much and I light up every time I’ve gotten to hear your unique voice share your thoughts and informed opinions with us. You have an ease and magic that’s truly special and I’m so sorry people are dedicated to continuing cycles of hurt instead of exploring how they could also be adding to the world. Take care of yourself please and thank you for continuing to share with us here. 💗💜💗

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, I have been a big fan of your work for years and continue to enjoy rewatching your work even now. I've learned a lot and you've taught me to see things through a more analytical lense. I'm so sorry you have to go through this and your well being has declined because of it. Do whatever you need to take care of yourself first! Sending love~

Anonymous

i was a pro graffiti artist for 20 years and ppl there assault each other over errors and destroy each others work - I don't think social media is much better was also involved in game writing and I'm backing off from public life there too in terror of cancel dramas -One lot who have launched cancels on people and run ethics business declared atheists are unhappy and its a fact and arguing this would get you removed. Working for ppl like this is a nightmare despite their goodguy intentions - lots of goal post shifting. So yes I've backed off from two public self groups. I find flooding pic accounts with thousands of boring images and posts tagged lots can help bury your old life. I now just post frog stuff and politics on social media now as a dickhead filter. Sorry being a pioneer has been so hard Lots of love

Anonymous

What a major bummer. Hope this stops being, well, this sooner rather than later.

Anonymous

One of the things I've struggled with the last few years has been how deeply I've internalized how I shouldn't do X, Y or Z because "it doesn't help." I think it's a reflection of how our culture has fetishized productivity. Any display of emotions or venting... even any kind of "self-care" has to be internally framed as necessary to increase our big-picture productivity. But...it's ironically counter-productive. If you already can't function in the system, no reaction to it can "makes things worse". But bottling it up absolutely can. And quite often, we'll get an upfront lecture from someone on how inappropriate our reaction was while simultaneously discovering paths that wouldn't have been available without it. Anger is a legitimate emotion! Fuck 'em!

James J Kelly

For what is worth, I just became a Patreon because I believe your last video was important. I also think your 'Mask Off!' video, along with Natalie's that is along the same lines are very, very important. It is a shame that it comes at such a cost to you both. Additionally, you and Natalie have addressed online mobbing in lectures. (TedTalks, maybe?) Your thoughts on leftist purity tests are important. The shitty things that have happened to you are absolutely emblematic of how fascist and White supremacists can build a community based on their exclusion, while meanwhile getting by on their other social advantages. Meanwhile, the left is filled with socially disadvantaged people that tear into each other, because those are the people they can beat. I don't think you should feel bad pointing that out, even if people are hurt. You will find a place for your talents. I am sorry that the online community that was so important to you turned out to be an illusion. However, the shitty things that happened to you do have meaning. Other people need to know that text, videos and podcasts cannot be a community. People make up a community, and one does not know a person by knowing their art. I am truly interested in what your next move is. Good Luck!

Anonymous

As some whose autistic and gets willfully misunderstood on a daily basis, know I’m one (of many, it seems) who share a similar, although still unique, struggle. Regardless of these minor differences of our respective experiences, I’m specifically here for you I’m from middle TN and seeing someone like you go as far as you have, be as kind & introspective as you’ve been, it’s given me hope. The knowledge that you’re still out here, in whatever capacity it may be, doing what you love (or, more likely, just trying to get through each day w/o a panic attack— still incredible) gives me something I like to akin to hope as I right a book about my struggles with being an autistic girl. (No pressure or anything */s* But rly, I do have other ppl I look up too as well, so don’t worry) Ik you’re a human and you’re allowed to be one… something I think people need to hear more. Keep fighting, whatever that looks like to you. You are much stronger than you know (humans tend to be like that), but what makes you comfortable & happy is what matters the *most* (as I’m sure you know, given your latest decisions). All this to say you have my support & I hope you are doing better since you’ve posted this 💜

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, I just became a Patron because I wanted to show support for you in this difficult time. I probably should have a long time ago, somewhere between my transition from "oh, this chick has good content sometimes, I'll watch this recommended video" to actively going through most of your archive to watch stuff, but it's easy to be lazy. Anyway, I think you are great. I got a copy of Axiom's End kind of expecting it to be an enjoyable but shallow guilty pleasure read along the lines of something like Ready Player One, but I was pleasantly surprised to find what was truly one of the best Sci-Fi books I've read. Not to spoil it for anyone, but that scene where a certain character wanted to comfort the other but didn't know how and had to have it explained legitimately made me tear up. I don't want to tell you "just ignore the haters" because I know how awful it can feel to have just a few people dogpile me over a random reddit comment, and what you are dealing with is many many orders of magnitude worse. You have every right to feel hurt and frustrated and everything else. I just hope you also remember that the people who actually enjoyed your work aren't going to change their minds because of the shit some trolls are spreading about you, and the people who are harassing you were either all shit to begin with or ignorant of the truth and just joining in on the mob mentality. You're a good creator and the world is better for all the content you put out into it.

Anonymous

I feel kind of bad it took this for me to stop forgetting to join your Patreon. I have a lot of respect for you and your work, both your videos on their own, as well as their influence on video essays in general, and I wanted to show my support how I could. Having unfortunately had my own experiences on various sides of (admittedly smaller scale) groups following what would today be called “cancel mob” mentality (as I imagine a lot of neurodivergent queer people have), I massively appreciate you taking the time to make your “Mask Off” video and write up these posts. No amount of being in the public eye professionally can make it easy to show people all the pain you are feeling, but I want to thank you for your efforts, and I hope they plant at least a few seeds of change in people's minds. Thank you again for everything you have created; I truly believe the world is better for everything you have contributed to it. I am looking forward to whatever you do next, whatever it is, and whenever you are ready; and I think it is fair to say the substantial crowd still here shares that sentiment. And for now, I just hope you have people close to you who can support you through all this.

Anonymous

It's very disappointing that this has happened to someone as sweet as you, Lindsay. I'm sad to see you struggle, especially because of bullies. I'm still here to support you.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay Ellis, I've been a long fan of your work. Every video content you've made public has shown deep research and analysis, despite many times being about some silly film. From your three-part series on the Hobbit to your video about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, I've always been surprised on how much I've learned about film analysis (themes, framing, history) as well as the social issues behind them. That is why it is a shame to see that the social media mob went after you. Although it's sad that you'll not be making video content in the foreseeable future, it seems that you have made a wise and brave decision. Today, I joined your Patreon to pay back from all the video content I've enjoyed basically for free throughout the past few years and to provide some support to you and your team in this uncertain times. If you do end up reading this, just remember that you're a fantastic writer of content, whether we are talking about books, videos, criticism, etc. As such, I don't doubt that you'll be able to get out of this nightmare sooner than later.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, I'm not on Twitter, so I got to enjoy your work as you must have intended it--as thoughtful, educational, and entertaining takes on culture. I always ended your videos feeling like they made me a better person. Over Christmas break, I showed my brother in law your Blazing Saddles video and it really changed his perspective on what political correctness is versus how it's used as a weapon by-- well, assholes. I wish you could see just how many lives you've touched with your work. I wish you knew about the thousands of people who are kinder and gentler because of what they learned from you. I wish that for you so much and I hate that your experience has been the absolute opposite. But most of all, I wish for you to heal, and over time, return to the joy you felt when you began all of this. I hope you are able to feel the way you did when you published your first video, or your first book, or realized that you could support an entire team just through the magic of your expression. You deserve to feel the same way about yourself that we all feel about you-- like a cherished, valued, lovely person. Thank you for sharing your gift and know we'll be here while you heal with no expectations for if or how you return. Sincerely, Emily <3

Anonymous

Lindsay, I'm sorry to read about how much pain the past year has brought you. I have so enjoyed all the work you and your team have made since the transition to longer video essays (usually about topics I don't care about, no less - I am neither a Disney fan nor a musical fan, and yet!). I don't think I'm the only one who has only joined the Patreon in the new year, in the hope that we can chip in some small repayment for the entertainment you've brought us for years - and, with no expectation of any grand return. Wishing you some combination of distance and peace and healing, sooner rather than later. Best regards Barney.

Anonymous

just thought I'd write and say I'm thinking of you and wishing you well today.

Viera Galikova

... my therapist also doesn't understand social media,but knows better than ask me why i don't "turn the PC off" ... bcs social media is just humans. just people. doesn't matter if on the street, in the office or online. My therapist tries to help me be sure of myself even if a giant mob of people was against me, mocked me, hurt me. No BS,we literally worked on that. even though I'm not a public figure. finding the strength and healthy approach is possible and it shouldn't even matter to the therapist if the mob is online or IRL... please, be very compassionate to yourself.

Anonymous

I genuinely can't imagine how fucking awful it must feel to know that other people's health insurance is at least in part dependent on how the internet feels about you personally. That sucks. You're right to be angry. I hope you find a way out of this situation that opens a new path for fulfillment for you. Your work has been important to me and has shaped my thinking about the way I watch things and consume media, and I appreciate it, but I am very glad that you're prioritizing your mental health and general wellbeing. I truly hate that our media landscape had turned into a content farm of confessionalism, demanding emotional reactions and drama to feed its algorithm (especially from women, imo). You deserve not to have your feelings monetized. I hope you're okay.

Anonymous

I completely support you. I’m eager to hear where Cara and Ampersand’s story goes next … but a long gap between book 2 & 3 is normal in sci-fi. Please take care of your mental health, fans like me will still be here whenever you’re ready.

Anonymous

I've never been in a situation like you are, so I don't have any words of wisdom. So I'd just thought I'd drop in that your content helped me think in a new perspective (or confirmed I wasn't alone in my opinions) and exposed me to so many other creators I might have otherwise missed. And whether you create new content somewhere or not, just know that I'll still be a fan. I hope you're okay, and you are able to prioritize your health.

Anonymous

I don't have an online presence so I couldn't say I really understand you 1:1, but I have been through my own experience of an unwelcome, undeserved, absolutely stupidly unnecessary witch hunt. I know what that's like to be dragged into public scrutiny because people have an unhealthy combination of free time, boredom, and a sense of self-righteousness. And it sucks. It absolutely sucks. Your self doesn't feel the same, you can't look at yourself, you can't enjoy the things that used to make you happy, all you can think about are the unfair grievances and slander piled onto you and it's so painful because there's no way to rationalize why people do the things they do. I only made it out of my experience (and still continue to cope with it) because I surrounded myself with people who support me and who make genuine efforts to understand me and my feelings. It's devastatingly painful and difficult to maintain your identity and actions according to your values, all while feeling a deep dissonance in how people react to you. I hope you can feel supported by the people around you, and I hope you can feel safe being who you are wherever you are.

run_away

Hi Lindsay and co-- thinking of you all today and I just wanted to write something nice. hmmm... not sure what to say other than I hope you're well. Happy to support you wheyou take time to right your mental health and I'm excited to support future projects should there happen to be any. That's all.

Anonymous

You're one of my favourite creators and I'm so sorry this has happened to you. Feel however you feel, you don't need to apologise. Take the time you need, and I hope you can find some joy again soon. Was it you who once said you liked colouring? If it was, let me know and I'll hook you up. I really would love to do something to help in some way, as I'm sure many here would. Hopefully these messages help but I know how even one negative attack can erase every bit of positivity :(

Anonymous

Hope you and everyone who made your content possible are doing well out there Lindsay. Always wish nothing but the best 💖 Thank you for inspiring

Anonymous

I just finished reading Truth of the Divine. Both it and Axiom are fantastic pieces of work, you've created something special. I really hope you find a way to continue your writing career <3

Anonymous

Thank you for all your amazing contributions, you deserve all the rest in the world x

Anonymous

We miss you Lindsay but understand and I wish you all the healing at this time. You've been my favorite creator for a long time and I'm just so sorry this happened to you. You deserve so much more and words cannot express how much I believe that. Here's to healing.

dirtside

Lindsay, take care of yourself. We'd all love to see more videos but you gotta do what's healthy for you. And the pittance I'm contributing here on Patreon doesn't even come close to making up for the many hours of enjoyment (and enlightenment) I've gotten out of your videos.

Anonymous

I hope you are doing better. I'm sure you'll do great in whatever project you decide to pursue. And if you choose to share it I'll look forward to that as well. Take care!

Anonymous

Just started to support you on Patreon to say, I love your videos and learned a lot from them!

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay, it's my opinion that it is in no way bad for you to be selfish in whatever form that takes. You've given a lot to us. honestly your videos got me through depression bc your attitude of hating the world but somehow finding humor or some of it interesting helped me stay engaged in being alive. All i'm saying is, i'm sure i'm not the only person you've helped by being "naked" as you say. it's horrific that you've become a martyr in this way... you've done a great service for the youtube cannon, and I didn't just join the patreon for your content but to show support for you as a person, regardless of content output. anyways you're probably not reading these and i don't blame you. just saying in case, be selfish, I and a lot of others will still support you. I hope this blows over with time. your name is not toxic to me, I've talked about your work highly to any who would listen. Take care. <3

Jeffrey Chu

Sorry for not checking this site more often. Take care of yourself, mental health is top priority. Love your work, been following it from the beginning.

Anonymous

I never bothered being a patreon before so it feels a bit weird posting here now, but I enjoyed watching your videos. I don't know how long you plan to leave patreon up but I'm happy to stay subscribed indefinitely because I've been watching your content for free for a long time.

Anonymous

Xiran Jay Zhao and SEA voices have shared their perspective on this whole thing. Please feel encouraged Lindsay https://youtu.be/Pwn8YD8sobo

Brad Kirkwood

I subscribed just for this, I've been watching your stuff since the nostalgia chick days, keep the Patreon open, at least some of us will be waiting and if you choose not to come back that's OK, we'll still be here

Anonymous

I’ve been a fan since your Nostalgia Chick days also, and you have come a long way. Yeah, Lindsey, you have been through the wringer so many times. You have made mistakes but many of us do. Don’t let mistakes and harassment keep you down. Take the time you need for yourself, and you will find your way. I feel like you set a high bar for yourself, or you are just one of the original essayists of youtube that people based off and have set your bar way higher than you want. Even when you make mistakes you know how to own up to it and push forward. Some of the most impactful people in history have been through similar shit and pushed on, and you will too. And don’t forget to love yourself, you are worth every word, you are awesome.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay. I don't know if you'll get to read this, but I just wanted to say that I'm happy to support you here whether you want to post or not. I like it here, it feels like a safe space and I hope you do find a way to be creative on here, if you feel like it! Also, as a wannabe writer, I'm always interested in hearing your opinions on storytelling and the book business in general. p.s I've watched your deep dives into the LOTR and the Hobbit series too many times to be healthy, so much info. Take care :)

Jeremy-Alice

if you dont want to literally be on camera you dont have to. these patron only stuff can just be your audio. thats an idea. i really love your stuff. so does my mom.

Anonymous

I've been a fan of yours for a while now, and I absolutely adore watching and reading what you create. I will always come back to your old videos as long as they're left up and even though I just started subscribing on here today, I'm so happy to continue to do so if it helps in any way. I think I can speak for a lot of your supporters when I say that we will be here whether you return in a month or not at all. Your mental and physical health is what is most important (and as an extension, that of your employees) so I hope that whatever path you choose to take from here helps to strengthen that. On a side note, it'd be pretty funny if you showed back up 10 years from now after leaving on Love Never Dies. <3

Anonymous

I wanted to write a really sappy comment about how much I have enjoyed you and your content, and how happy I am to still sub to this patreon..but I felt like a dumbass because you don't know me at all. I always mention your name in good faith, and I'm glad you exist. Positivity and love may get drowned out in the waves of internet abuse, but try and keep your eyes on it. Like the glint of gold in a miner's pan.

Anonymous

Been a fan since pre-YouTube days. Learned so much from your works and really been loving your sci-fi. It really sucks when you put so much into something and it feels like it's never going to be enough. I truly wish you the best to seeing your way through it!

Anonymous

Please remember that you also touch lives for the better, even if you don't know the extent. You don't know me, hell, our interaction was limited at best over 7 years ago (Honor & Glory title card), but it did set events in emotion that led to mental health being something I could have. Nor does this talk about the seeds of growth you offer to people. It would be wrong not to say that in a form that didn't reach you. And even if not that, at least I can send $2 your way and buy some books. Thank you for your influence.

Anonymous

We love you Lindsay. I don't care what you do, only that you're okay.

Anonymous

I hope you’re safe.

Anonymous

I wish you all the best. I just want you to be happy, whatever you do. Good luck. (:

Anonymous

I signed up for your Pateron today because I just wanted to send a little bit of goodwill and support to you. It pales in comparison to the things that you have given me freely -- I have undoubtedly grown as both a consumer of media but also as a creator of media because of your work. I know absolutely that so many people have had the same experience. I know from personal experience that taking care of yourself must come first. It's hard, and for a while I felt like I was 'failing' because I had to take care of myself first, but in the end it was always the right thing to do. And I know you're a very talented and skilled person and I'm certain that you'll continue to create excellent things in the future, no matter what form it takes or what audience it's for (even if it's just an audience of you!). Wishing you all the best!

Anonymous

I also want to say a few things I hope bring you some peace of mind. No one would pass for good if every misstep and mistake we made for the last 13 years was brought to light in one instance without the context of growth. You came from a background where you have had to unlearn a lot of behaviors, and that is something I can say from personal experience takes time. And you have put in the time, the fact you admitted to mistakes in the past isn't a sign you're guilty, but that you make mistakes, just like anyone else, but you learned from it. It's well established that TGWTG was a toxic work environment, but when people ask about the Rape Rap video, mention that in no uncertain terms with when you say you were trying to heal from trauma. Healing and growth isn't linear, nor does facing ugly parts of our lives always fall into decent. These people who write you off and treat you like crap for the sake of internet clout while also touting mental health awareness -is- hypocritical and -is- abusive. Please understand that nothing you can do will ever check out in their book because the bigger underlying problem is their stubbornness from their own traumas. Everyone has trauma, but few handle it well, and most seem to think they could have handled it better until they actually have to deal with it. In the meantime, if you want to still pursue the circles you used to, consider a asking a friend who can come on camera or finding sensitivity checker to field stuff through, someone who has been part of the communities that you have been criticized about. But keep in mind it will take time to win back the Twitter favor and will not be easy, because just because you are doing the work, doesn't mean other people will match you on that. In the mean time, I recommend looking into Nick Robinson and how he has coped with being cancelled, since he comes off as a guy who genuinely didn't understand boundaries and learned as a result of backlash.

Anonymous

Hey Lindsey, have you considered reaching out to other creators from the Asian community to put together a fundraiser supporting Asian creators? This could be an opportunity to combine uplifting a specific social group with public reconciliation and share this journey of coming to better recognize, understand and work to correct unintended bias.

the Contronym

I appreciate everything you've made, and I intensely miss your content. You're probably not looking for suggestions, but your Twilight Cthulu series is some of my favorite anything from anyone, and I'd love to see you run another project like that. Maybe consider having someone shield you from toxicity too? I dunno. Whatever you choose to do, if it's at all in the public zeitgeist I will follow you.

Anonymous

To me, the value of this patreon is that I'm sending a token of support to a creative talented person who's been put through the wringer. Healing takes time, and I hope that you're able to find a path forward in life that's satisfying and fulfilling for you. Whatever form that takes, this random internet stranger is rooting for you.

Anonymous

Be well. If and when you’re ready, we’ll be here.

Anonymous

I've been watching your youtube videos for years and generally check for new ones every week or 2 and genuinely feel stoked when I see that there's a new one. I rewatch the transformers series with friends who haven't seen it all the time. I signed up now after hearing you on the New Yorker podcast. I didn't know that things were this bad. Everyone seems to think their snap opinion matters - particularly if it's sassy or dramatic and tears someone down. It's like yelp reviewers had their own reality TV show, except none of us can change the channel. It's sad. Whatever you end up doing, you've got my support here. Sorry I didn't subscribe sooner.

Hylia Stone

I just subscribed to read your farewell letter to understand what was going on a little bit better and then immediately unsubscribe. However, after reading these two posts, seeing how hopeless things are feeling for you, and fully sharing your despair about the world, though not the intense personal trauma that was inflicted upon you, I know exactly what I need to do. I will NEVER unsubscribe. I know 3 dollars a month means so incredibly little in the grand scheme of things, but I have no faction left to root for in this world. I have lost faith in humanity. My cause is no longer to do right by the people en masse, but by individuals who've been wronged by our truly disgusting species. We who refuse to be a part of the end MUST stick together. We have no one else. Not anymore.

Anonymous

Your name isn’t toxic. Your name has such incredible value, attached to such an incredibly value body of work, and an incredibly valuable person. And I don’t mean money, although it is *your* name, *your* work, and *you* who has created a company that supports multiple people. I mean how important you have been to internet culture and criticism, teaching and informing and just being really fucking clever and entertaining. (Ahaha I hate the Patreon comment system. I just wanted to do a paragraph break..!) It’s fucking vile that people have managed to convince you otherwise, and as much as a loss as it is to the rest of us - and it really, REALLY is - I’m furious that they’ve made you feel like this, like it’s better to give up than keep doing the work you’ve built. It’s not right. It’s dead wrong. I’m so sorry they did this to you. And if you ever feel like you can do it again, I’ll watch it. Your work is a damn sight more than algorithmic limping.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay. I am a fan from the old days who lost track of you and just recently was able to catch up on your work. I think all the backlash you’ve had to deal with in recent months was beyond ridiculous. I just listened to the New Yorker interview and was saddened to hear so much pain your voice. As a creator myself going through a slump period myself there was a lot I could relate to. I appreciate you being so open and honest about your struggles. I hope you find a way to get the voices of the naysayers out of your head and shift your focus on being creative again. I personally think you are very insightful, observant and excellent at analyzing media. And you have many more who think the same in a big fanbase you have accumulated through many years of hard work. I hope you can find appreciation in that.

Anonymous

I just came back to this post to say that you deserve peace, happyness and love. I will miss you, and I can only hope you get the healing you deserves. Things will get better

Anonymous

Just heard about about you quitting youtube. Keep doing what you want to do, no matter what these sh*theads do, and in the meanwhile, I hope my meager contribution help keep you afloat in these turbulent times.

Anonymous

Your name still has a strong, positive meaning in my world. Please find a way out of the toxicity of judgement and do what you love.

Anonymous

Thank you for being a radiator of excellence, humor and humanity! Hope you can heal. Damn.

Mary Weber

I hope you're finding healing ❤ or at least neutrality

Oscar Diggs

I've been meaning to join for a while, finally had the resources. If you never post anything again, I still owe you for the entertainment and thought-provoking content.

Anonymous

Just re-subscribed. I've been re-watching old videos and realized that I haven't paid you even a fraction of the value I've gotten from them. Even if you never write another word of content, I owe you, and I'll pay it back eventually, even if I can only afford a couple bucks a month. In "The Whole Plate" you said you would make video essays a respected academic format yourself if you had to, and you fucking did it. Damn.

Anonymous

I know you’ll probably never read this, but I just want you to know you will always have my support no matter what. You and the content you produce are some of the best things my husband and I watch on YouTube and listen to via podcasts. I can’t even imagine what you must be going through right now and I hope one day you’ll come back. But even if you don’t, you have given us so many laughs and though provoking content over the years, the least I can do is help support you when you need it most. We’re here for you Lindsay! Always! ❤️

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay, I only found out about you recently and I've really appreciated your content and your humor. I know it's not much, but I've come here to be part of your collective support network. Hope you feel better soon ❤️

Deer Prudence

Hey ! Just popping back to sent some good vibes and confirm we are not going anywhere ❤️

Anonymous

What if you wrote the script and crowd-sourced the narration to your patrons? It would be a short-lived gimmick, but it could buy you some time and distance to figure something else out in the meantime.

Anonymous

Hi Lindsay, hoping the best for you and your team. My brother and I have been discussing cancel culture. He phrased his thinking very well: "Cancel culture exists on the fringes of the political spectrum. The far left progressives, and the far right conservatives. It is a space without much nuance. It is comprised of a loud minority who remove the opportunity for dialogue." Though this specifically applies to politics, the same holds true for any cancel culture. As an online society, we need to start seeing and practicing moderation in response and empathy for our fellow humans. You can (rightfully) oppose Harvey Weinstein, but more reasonably consider James Gunn. We've moved to extreme, binary viewpoints and judgements. There's no gradiation of thought or feeling, no forgiveness or grace. I have no idea how to affect this change, but I do know it needs to happen to restore empathy and bring everyone back together.

Anonymous

Hey Lindsay- I’ve enjoyed watching your videos for years, it always gave me a little burst of joy to see you upload something. I’ll miss seeing something new from you every now and then (if that’s the way it falls) but I hope you can find a way through all this. The internet at large is a fucking meat grinder and the fact you weathered it for so long is extraordinarily admirable. Thanks for the good times ❤️❤️

Anonymous

For what it's worth, you have every right to your anger, and it makes me furious and heartbroken that you've been targeted for such vicious abuse—even more so because the pretext for much of the abuse was a simple statement of fact in the form of a tweet (because it's an indisputable fact that Raya borrows heavily from ATLA, as does a lot of other recent YA—and as you say in your Mask Off video, that's all that your tweet said). I know that words of support can't really make the pain any less right now, but I hope it makes you feel a bit less alone to hear from some of the people who recognize the bad-faith rationalizations and gaslighting from your abusers for what they are. I hope you're able to find a way to do work that you love in a way that doesn't keep old wounds open, and that you're able to surround yourself in your day-to-day life and physical space with people who care about your well-being first and foremost <3

Anonymous

Thinking about you; I got this post through email and I never figured out anything that felt adequate to say. You made me a better thinker and have been a source of joy. I hope you have hot chocolate and a blanket tonight. I hope there's something good and joyful in your future, and peace and healing. Good good good thoughts for you.

Anonymous

I hope you don't stop writing. I found your work through YT but I love your novels most of all.

Anonymous

Be healthy, take care of yourself.

Anonymous

I wouldn't worry about the notoriety of your name being attached to your books--I mean, it suck, but I don't think it will negatively impact sales. It rarely does, and often has the opposite effect. In any case, write if you want to write and don't write if you're not feeling it, regardless of whether you decide to keep publishing. That's the important thing. You need some time to yourself without worrying about what other people think. Get away from the mob and take space to find your center again. *hugs*

Anonymous

I’ve missed you, I support you, I feel for you. Only wishing the best and hopeful for you having a future you enjoy.

octopus for good

I hope time helps. I can't imagine what else possibly could. In the meantime, hopefully there are enough of us who continue to feel an incredible writer who pioneered an entire new medium of criticism deserves our support when she needs it most, after what amounts essentially to an on-the-job injury. I signed up *after* you quit, for what that's worth. I know you said in your previous post that we don't owe you, but I respectfully disagree. So many of us have benefitted and continue to benefit from your work. If you never record another second of content as long as you live, that fact will not change. Contributing what we can to providing you and your team the time you need to figure out what's next is just the least we could do.

Anonymous

I am so sad to hear about this, and wish you happiness in whatever capacity you need. I've been a longtime fan and I didn't realize I wasn't already supporting your Patreon but am now. Thank you for everything you've given to the content monster. I will continue to rewatch your old videos over and over and over (I glean something new each time), and I hope you find new joy on your new path <3

Anonymous

I am a longtime fan -- my then teen boys turned me on to you in your nostalgia chick days. One of them still calls me occasionally talk about whatever you have posted recently. As of this month you are the first and only person I have ever supported on Patreon. Please know both you and your work has value to random internet strangers.

Anonymous

If you really are so worried about your name. Don't forget: You can always use an alias. Then be hush hush about it on your (remaining) socials and you'll be fine.

Anonymous

I have so much I could say, but I'll summarize it down to: My heart hurts for you, I'll be one tiny voice to support you, and I'm here to stay however long I can.

Anonymous

*hugs* thank you sir sharing your life with us, even though it's taken this painful turn. I hope that you'll keep writing - you may find the audience for your books is different enough from the audience that's tearing you down that it doesn't hurt those sales - or at least I hope so!!!