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The Last of the Game of Thrones Hot Takes (Patreon)

Published:
2019-08-13 22:37:22
Edited:
2019-08-14 12:49:30
Imported:
2020-05

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Fundraiser for Emilia Clarke's charity, SameYou: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/justicefordaenerys 

#ThankYouEmilia #JusticeForDaenerys 

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The Last of the Game of Thrones Hot Takes

Power doesn't corrupt; power reveals. Fundraiser for Emilia Clarke's charity, SameYou: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/justicefordaenerys

Comments

Anonymous

You must feel like Frodo. “It’s done.”

Anonymous

over 1 hour of content god bless you lindsay

Eli Bildirici

Computer over. Productivity = very no. Excuse me

Eli Bildirici

And starts with namechecking doorstop of a book that stares me in the face each day, incredible

Anonymous

I saw on Twitter that this is up. So here I am.

Anonymous

An hour long video from Lindsay? I'm here for it. I'm sure it was a lot of work for you, but I'm excited to watch this!

Anonymous

Thank you for all of your tremendous work to put this together. I hope you all enjoy some well deserved drunken nights at the cheesecake factory.

Anonymous

Literally just made a Patreon account because I have to watch this before first semester starts. Also that goal in the sidebar... that has to be broken in the near future.

Anonymous

Oh this just made my week.

Benedict Marko

Oh, how great :) Note: There appears to be a tiny glitch at 20:25 (the title card "Jon Snow" appears for a couple of frames one edit too early) :)

Martin Robertson

Guy doing the voice over should DEFFS read the books.

Signs

Look, I gave you liquor once and I don't think it was enough for all you do for us. Next time I see you at a con I'll bring like five bottles, what do you want???

Anonymous

Major LOL at "Super-Hitler! The Hitler that fliiiiiees!" [Editing this comment to add:] I didn't watch more than twenty minutes of this TV show, but I knew both parts of this video would be worthwhile. Excellent work.

Anonymous

I see that Hadestown sneaking in there at the end

Anonymous

Sometimes I see stuff in the later seasons of GoT and it strikes me that Weiss and Benioff are probably the kind of centrists who describe themselves as "socially liberal but fiscally conservative".

Anonymous

10 out of fucking 10 on the sound effects, comedic cuts, and after effects. Thank you Lindsay!

Anonymous

that was great! There is a single frame of "Jon Snow" just before that title card appears, but otherwise looking good

Anonymous

I really enjoyed this! I’m also glad to hear that I’m not the only one who has no enthusiasm for rewatching any of the episodes anymore now that the ending sucked that bad. Instead, I’m re-reading the books. Thanks!

Anonymous

Harris don't read the books

Anonymous

I was wondering why I wasn't able to let this ending go, and then I realized this is a perfect microcosm of some of the biggest issues in fiction media: 1) thinking that fans guessing the ending is a bad thing instead of the logical conclusion of your setup, 2) punishing your female characters for being ambitious and thinking feminism is being a stone cold beyatch, and 3) writing a nihilistic ending and thinking that makes you Camus even though the whole basis of storytelling implies that life and choices do have incredible meaning. Sidenote: I bet Lindsay's Reddit karma is higher than my mortgage.

Anonymous

An hour+ video essay starting with references to The Power Broker? Everything is coming up Klil!

Anonymous

I don't often disagree with you, especially not about visual media - but I'm pretty sure that D&D were writing to GRRM's ending but had knocked all the rough edges off the character in the way.

Anonymous

Unlike season 8, this was worth the wait.

Anonymous

It wasn't long enough!

Anonymous

👏👏👏

Anonymous

The best illustration of the difference I can make between the book and the show Daenerys is that in the show in Astapor she says “Unsullied! Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip, but harm no child. Strike the chains off every slave you see!” In the book it is: “Slay the Good Masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who wears a tokar or holds a whip, but harm no child under twelve, and strike the chains off every slave you see.” The Tokar, of course, is a garment that only the freeborn can wear. But there is a huge difference between being freeborn and being a slaver - and in a caste ridden society if you have the right to wear status garments you probably will (and even Danny wore a Tokar to meet the local worthies). If this were based on the American Civil War in the show Sherman would have ordered "Kill the soldiers, plantation owners, and anyone with a whip but don't kill children" and in the book Sherman would have ordered "Kill all slave owners, overseers, and all fully dressed white people over the age of twelve." These are of course entirely different characters even if much of what they do overlaps strongly. Burning King's Landing fits the book character and the show character therefore decided to do it. Which ... no. They were two different characters.

Gabe

Lindsay! I cannot tell you how much life this video is giving me. It is perfectly expressing all of the problems I had with the show that I am not knowledgeable enough about film and literature to express. I know it must have been really hard to make such a big video, but I really want to say how much it makes me happy.

Benedict Marko
>>25747069

Also one typo: "siege" as "seige" at 52:21 :) There's always tiny stuff like that.

Anonymous

Just trying to help out with QA. The bit at 20:24, the "Jon Snow" text flashed for a second before you bring up the actual scene with "Jon Snow" If that make any sense.

Anonymous

Harris should read the books

Gabe

Also, RE: Your final point RE: Danyrys...did D&D basically have the same message as South Park? "Caring about things a lot is the worst thing you can do"

Anonymous

One thing I noticed when you were going over Jaime and Tyrion's characters is that if they kept Tyrion's revenge wanting and he gives Dany the go-ahead to 'burn them all' that would have made for an interesting clash with Jaime who, like, stopped that the first time it almost happened. I don't know how that could have tied into a resolution for Cersei's character, maybe Jaime has to choose between two terrible queens or his two terrible siblings. Or fuck! Maybe even give Jaime the role of telling Dany genocide is bad. It makes way more sense than Tyrion and it's thematically interesting because Jaime murdered her fucking father! Maybe it wouldn't have won an Emmy and people would still probably hate but at least the characters are motivated by something.

Anonymous

Ironically, Tyrion's speech about how we all "ignored" Daenerys' past actions because we agreed with her targets only makes me think about the amount of bad and inconsistent writing decisions I was willing to put up with, defend or even cheer because I wanted to like this show so damn much until it all became indefensible in S8. There was even a short while after The Bells when I tried to rationalise it with 'well, violence always worked for Dany so ofc she would see that as an option" just because I didn't want to admit that the thing I put so much emotional energy into and wanted to like so badly was actually... bad. S8 was the first time I watched a TV show premiere live. In my country it premiered on HBO at 3 A.M and I stayed up every single night to watch it despite the fact that thanks to that I only got 3 hours of sleep those nights. I was so excited for it and wanted to like it so badly but every single bad choice D&D made just came to a head in this season. I am especially mad about the handling of Jon Snow because I just really like the good king trope I think he was based on. I am miffed about the Night King but the part I am really angry about is how they picked him to kill Dany and yea, part of it is Kit Harrington crying at that table reading. I think it would have been a much more in character decision (and a much better subversion of the trope) to have Jon tell Dany about her heritage, and publicly back down from it like Maester Aemon. It would also have been a character growth moment: Jon who defined himself by his family status grows past it. I also really hated the part where it turned out that every man around Dany was there only because they wanted in her pants. It belittles both her and the men who loved her saying that they agreed with her only because she was pretty rather than they fell in love with her because she is an amazing woman with great ideas and ideals who is worthy of that love. It reveals so much about how the writers viewed her. Poor Emilia Clarke deserved so so much better. These are my two big hates, 'cause as I time passes everything else just becomes a dull ache. I was so eager to watch GoT just this may that I couldn't wait that few extra hours to watch the new episode and now I haven't even thought about rewatching my favourite scenes since the last episode.

Anonymous

I think this is my favorite video of yours ever and that's an extremely high bar.

Anonymous

Lol I know you said you’re never doing a video this long again, but I just wanted to say thank you for this fantastic video essay!

Anonymous

Alright you all win, season 8 ruins everything and one must accept it because it's being hated in a "good way". Never mind that a realistic thought-out consequence for every event would've necessitated 15 seasons, and Breaking Bad set an unattainable standard for every TV showrunner (D&D included) in the 2010s to be finite and leave people wanting more but also fully satisfied. And if I bring up that from season 4 onward the show's writing staff was the usual exclusively male group, it'll start the flame war that the internet is good at. You win. Now is there any legitimate consolation you can give in exchange? May I at least be forgiven for the desire to live with a franchise's flaws, and live in harmony with the rest of you? Do pleas for mercy have worth here?

Anonymous

This isn’t whinging. It’s a insightful think piece with a twist ending. Lindsay made wholesome, good faith GOT content. Expectations SUBVERTED.

Rachel Anne
>>25752258

Good lord. It’s media criticism. It’s what she does. It’s what you’re paying her to do. You can agree, you can disagree, you can find it interesting, you can find it not interesting. It’s not a personal attack. Get a grip.

Anonymous

Good job and thank you for ending your essay on a positive note. As a Star Wars fan who has dealt with all the bitterness and stupidity involved with the fandom for years it's nice to know that some people are still capable of doing some good even when they're disappointed in the final product.

Anonymous

Me: Oh hey, the Funyuns are back. Lindsay: That's right bitch, the Funyuns are back! Me: :0 I see now why that was a difficult video to make. It's more than just the length. It can seem so petty to complain about artistic disappointment while the world burns down around us, but we really do need art to sustain us. Our minds need art and narrative and public performance the way our bodies need food. When I've been gorging on something that turns on me afterwards, or when the artistic fulfillment I was waiting on fails to show up, it can really throw me off for days. It's like all the times I've had to live off noodles for a few weeks, after about week two things just start to feel wrong (and I really like noodles as a rule). The only cure is to find some sustenance somewhere else. I hope you and Angela find some good books you can just read for pleasure while hanging out at the Hugo Awards.

Anonymous

Oh that runtime is like a gift from God

Sean Brocklehurst

Great video Lindsay, some of your best work. Really clarified a lot of what I was thinking and feeling, but didn't know how to put it. I had not heard of Robert Caro and his ideas about power before, it's very interesting, I had always disliked that quote about 'power corrupts'. P.S. H Bomber guy read the books

Vladimir Barash

Well done!! Yet another fantastic video essay :) And an especially huge kudos for writing something that encompasses and critiques an eight-season show. One thing I was thinking about while watching was historical parallels to GoT. War of the Roses of course, but there are tons of other examples of long periods of feudal warfare: Russia, China, Japan, etc. To the best of my knowledge, none of those ended with democratization. In fact, most ended with an invasion and/or a powerful ruler coming to the throne and unifying the opposing factions behind them. I know, I know #historicalaccuracy and all that, but I think if the showrunners *did* want to have a Democracy Best kind of ending, it needed a lot more build-up and explanation than they offered. Looking forward to the next one!

Anonymous

I am at 20:24. Nice video so far :) It looks like at this timestamp there is an extra frame saying "Jon Snow". And then you say speaking of Jon Snow and it appears again.

Anonymous

Putting the fine point on how Dany rose from power from abuse to die by her lover murdering her was good, thank you.

Anonymous

I’ve never watched a single episode of GoT or read the books but I became a Patreon because I wanted to watch this monstrosity and you did not disappoint. I even poured myself a glass of wine, made myself some popcorn and put on my comfy PJs for this. I live for this stuff. I know you declared you’d never do this again, and I totally understand, all the same, I loved it.

Anonymous

No piece of media has ever inspired a level of seething fury as the GoT ending. Thank you for this video. At long last I can get a sense of closure from the months I've wasted ranting on reddit and anyone who would listen to me. I was just waiting for this last video and it was amazing. I'm ready to move on now.

Elizabeth Anne

Watching this just really made me realize just how much the condescension and misogyny jumped out from the show writers.

Anonymous

As someone who has watched none of Game of Thrones, this was incredibly helpful in explaining the backlash. God, screw that smug, center-is-best, "believing in things is BAAAAAAAD" kind of garbage.

Anonymous

Adding to your argument, Ser Jorah's entire character arc through the show is undermined by the ending because he's clearly meant to love Dany not just bcuz purdy but because he believes in her politics and IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW FAR SHE'S COME. Then he has a big dramatic death sequence protecting his waifu and then...she spends the ending throwing away everything he loved in her. I thought Jorah was one of the most compelling parts of the early show and that really just left an awful taste in my mouth. Great vid.

Anonymous

I love this! I've never seen the show though

Anonymous

Definitely agree that Tyrion was supposed to be a more "corrupting" influence on Daenerys, pushing her to take King's Landing as quickly and harshly as possible. It also makes sense with his storyline - as a Lannister, he's starting off at Minus 50% on the scale of Zero to 100% trust as far as Daenerys as concerned. He should have been egging her on to take down Cersei as a way of proving his loyalty to Daenerys, with any sort of "what have I supported?" doubts coming after KL burns.

Anonymous
>>25748100

i rewatched the first one and it just made me even sadder, cannot recommend

Anonymous

A big reason I’m a fan is I always learn something and get valuable insights from your show. Thank you again.

Anonymous

Thank you for putting the burning of Fantasy Vatican in context. When I saw it happen, it made me feel a sort of cynicism(?) about the show and I couldn't really place my finger on why that was up until now.

Anonymous

Lindsay, thank you for tackling what must have been an almost overwhelming task, and doing it so well. There are some important object lessons in long run story development here for anyone involved in serial fiction.

Gabe
>>25757426

I never expected GoT to become South Park.

Anonymous

Has the video been taken down?

Anonymous

I really appreciate your calling out the absolutely toxic and insulting-to-the-viewer politics that underpin the ending chosen by the writers, and Tyrion's little speech in particular. That line about liberation theology is breathtaking. Not only is this fundamentally terrible writing, but it's repulsive in its political hypocrisy. Talk about power revealing the real D & D. It's because they could tell this story however they wanted that they unwittingly show us who they actually are. Thanks, guys. I hate it.

Anonymous

Also, wow, that Monty Python bit at the end is inspired!

Anonymous

I'm someone who watched Game of Thrones in less than a month prior to the final episode being released (gotta make use of that two week free trial and post job loss depression), so I have a speed run take of the series compared to most die hard fans who have watched since the beginning. I can say with utter certitude that the show fell off after season 4 perceptibly, and was only a downward spiral from there with increasingly nonsensical plot points and character actions. I feel that the show really went off the rails the more D&D strayed from George R. R. Martin's source material, and that's the main issue. Yeah D&D suck and have absolute shit takes, but it's almost amazing to me how much they coasted off of the superior writing from the source material. Watching the episodes in quick succession makes the shift in what was inspired or directly lifted from ol' Rolling Rartin Martin's texts and D&D's original "writing" depressingly stark. The characters and story go from intricate to breathtakingly stupid at breakneck speeds. For me the show officially went into "this is going to end badly, isn't it?" territory in season 5 episode 10. The ridiculous motivations of Stannis and his even more ridiculous downfall, combined with the climax of the dumb ass Dorne subplot (who can forget the classic line, "You want a good girl, but need a bad pussy"?) were just too much. I clung onto hope because some of the stuff in season 6 was alright, but season 7 made no sense at all, and season 8 was just as insulting as you've thoroughly analyzed. Everything you said and more is true, but I feel it doesn't even begin to cover how terribly D&D fucked everyone. From the cast and crew who put their life's energy into this series only to have the legacy of their creative output tarnished by show runners with extremely problematic views of storytelling who wanted to jump ship for that sweet Star Wars dosh, to me the lowly free trial fan who wasted two weeks of my life watching a show that has no pay off or meaning due to it's rushed and cheap ending. Most insulting of all is that D&D took/continue take credit for it as if the whole creation can be credited to their superior writing skills, and continue to get work for it as if they can bring the level of writing from the first four seasons to other properties. Expect all their upcoming projects to be prefaced with "From the creators of Game of Thrones" as their credentials. Woe is me to give a shit about corporate decisions or to downplay D&D's adaptation skills, but Star Wars and Netflix are going to suffer dearly for investing in D&D if they expect the quality writing from the first few seasons. With no source material to adapt, I fear they will be getting S8 tier writing, and it's crazy to me the deals are still pouring in after the disaster that was the last season. Just a sad situation all around.

Anonymous

Wow, three cheers for everyone involved in creating this mammoth undertaking! Make sure you get well-deserved rests!

Anonymous

Became a patron basically just so I could watch this right away (and of course to support your work because I've been following you for years). Big thanks to you and to Angelina for this excellent video, and ofc to anyone else who contributed! I've watched and loved GoT since season 2 aired. Some people I know that used to watch the show gave up somewhere on the road and I almost did too during season 5, but season 6 gave me new hope. Season 7 kinda sucked but I was willing to go with it. Even though I was hyped for season 8, I has a feeling it would let me down in a lot of ways (considering how bad season 7 was compared to the rest) but I was still hoping for a finale that would wrap up the show beautifully and give us some sense of meaningful closure. Oh boy. I wish someday I'll be able to return to the earlier seasons and watch with joy again but I feel the same way you do, the ending has ruined everything, the magic is gone. I'm not even sad about not liking the show anymore. It just feels kinda... whatever.

Anonymous

I completely agree when you say the ending can ruin the journey, just look at the Matrix trilogy, the second two films were so bad, they actually made me forget how much I enjoyed the first one. As for Game of Thrones, I only ever watched the first season, not because I didn't want to watch any further but because at the time of the first few seasons I didn't have TV and it never made it on to the list of shows I downloaded cos I kinda forgot about it, years later I decided that I'd wait until it was over before I started to watch it and now it's over and I know the ending, I'm not sure I want to watch it anymore because I can tell that the characters I'll like will end up getting ruined. Knowing the end of somthing shouldn't ruin it for you, I've read almost every book Agatha Christie ever wrote and I will watch any adaption of them because knowing the murder doesn't hurt the journey to get there, that is how well written they are.

Anonymous

Just became a patron! Thanks for all that you do, Lindsay (and team)!! <3

Rachel Anne
>>25749029

But the core moral question of making the character who frees slaves the villain remains. Making her the villain earlier in the story doesn't really address the basic question of: Is that a good idea?

Anonymous

I mean it's not your fault but It's so hard to see anything when it comes to the long night clips lol

Anonymous

This was really a treat, Lindsay. Well done! Part 1 felt a little loose, but this is brilliantly focused despite the runtime. Clearly this was a huge effort, and you knocked it out of the park. Enjoy the time away!

Anonymous

Me yesterday: Huh, I haven't seen anything from Lindsay & Team in bit. Oh well, it's always worth the wait. Me today: Oh Damn!!

Anonymous

Top 4 quotes of this vid. 1. "First they came for the slavers"... 2. "She became Super Hitler,the Hitler that flies" 3. Break Stuff Cue and 4. "Just forgot" inserts.

Anonymous

I LOVE how much this video is influenced by ideas from Hadestown. Amazing show with an amazing message about storytelling, definitely better than the hot mess that was Audience Surrogate Tyrion. :)

Anonymous

Will there be a closed captioning for this video? I would hate to miss any of the words in this essay. Im not a native speaker so sometimes I miss a lot of words

Anonymous
>>25795982

I just checked and captions are available on the re-uploaded version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGr0NRx3TKU

Hedrigal

I'm so confused why they wrote someone who murdered his own father and whose book plot since then has included the explicit fact he also wants to murder his sister into someone who can't bear to lose their family.

Eli Bildirici
>>25762586

Turns out the guys best known for 'Troy' and 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' were failing upward this whole time. Who knew!

L
>>25799951

Or why he sexed up his BFF before running out on her to reduce her magnificent character to a sobbing dumped girlfriend.

Anonymous

Acts 16:31, 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, 1 Peter 1:17-21, Revelation 22:18-19

Anonymous

I am satisfied with our transaction of money for entertainment. Thank you, total stranger!

Anonymous

nice music lindsay

Anonymous

28:27, who is this? A fellow essayist right?