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TheToweringOtakunt

I think what's going on here with Saruman is, he is being genuine when he says to leave Sauron to him. At this point, I believe he was still loyal to the mission of the Istari (the wizards) and he had every intention of doing everything in his power to stop Sauron. However, Saruman was always the most prideful and ambitious of the Istari and he was envious of Gandalf, whose counsel was often heeded over his own. When the White Council* was selecting its leader, Gandalf was their first choice despite Saruman being the leader of the Istari. It was the latest in a long line of events that made Saruman extremely resentful of Gandalf, and I think of the Free Peoples and the Valar for not recognizing his talents. That resentment later coupled with his inability to defeat Sauron to make him snap, as it were. Recall what Gandalf said about Saruman's belief that only great power can defeat evil. Being the leader of the Istari, Saruman was naturally one of the most powerful beings in Middle-Earth, possibly second only to Sauron himself. With such a mindset, if HE failed to defeat Sauron, then there was no hope for anyone else. I suppose after a time, Saruman must have shifted toward the "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em..." mentality, but that would have happened in the interim between the two stories. At this point, he most likely still believed Sauron needed to be destroyed. It's worth noting here (and do forgive me for the length of this comment) that the Valar are essentially God's archangels in this universe. The being Galadriel mentioned, Morgoth (also known as Melkor) was one of the Valar and the original Dark Lord before Sauron, who was his lieutenant. The Istari are of the same class of beings as Sauron and the Balrogs, among others -- Maiar spirits, a lesser choir of angelic beings. The Istari seem weaker by comparison simply because their powers were deliberately sealed by the Valar out of fear that the Istari would become fresh Saurons, enforcing their will by means of brute power. Thus, to ensure they adhered to their roles as advisors to the leaders of the Free Peoples, the Valar sealed much of the power of the Istari and gave them the forms of elderly men. This is also why Gandalf is so much more powerful when he returns as Gandalf the White. Eru Ilúvatar (God) overruled the Valar and unsealed a great deal of Gandalf's power, marking him as the sole emissary of the Valar in Middle-Earth. The other Istari -- Saruman, Radagast, Alatar, and Pallando -- had all in their own way abandoned their duty and were left to remain in Middle-Earth eternally or until their powers faded. As far as I know, this is the only explicit instance of Eru personally intervening in the events unfolding in Arda. There's tons of lore, so I'm sure there are other cases. This is just the only one I can think of. Eru tended to act through the Valar almost exclusively. *The White Council is the collection of the wisest (and usually oldest) leaders of the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth. In the books, the council included Saruman (the leader), Gandalf, Radagast, Elrond, Galadriel, and two elves not featured prominently in the movies -- the hero Glorfindel and Círdan the Shipwright. Círdan does appear at the end of Return of the King. He's standing with Elrond and Galadriel on the docks in the Grey Havens. I don't think Glorfindel ever appears, unfortunately.

TheToweringOtakunt

I know I'm writing a lot here, but I think it's interesting. Galadriel is probably the one of if not the oldest elf still living in Middle-Earth. She was born in Valinor (the Undying Lands) in the Years of the Trees, which means, depending on which version of canon you're talking about, she's older than the sun and the moon. They only came after the trees were destroyed by Melkor. When she was born roughly 8,000 years before the films/books occur, the world was lit by the glow of the Telperion the Silver (direct ancestor of the White Tree of Gondor) and Laurelin the Golden. It's said that Galadriel's hair still glows gold and silver with the light of the Two Trees. As for a romance between Gandalf and Galadriel, I think it is the case that they share a love, but not of the romantic sort. As a Maiar, Gandalf is a literal angel. It is his nature to love all the creations of Eru. As an elf, Galadriel has a similar grace and would be prone to a very profound care for any living thing. Her disregard for the orcs and goblins stems from the fact that they are not a natural breed, but rather a creation of Melkor's. As Saruman put it, the orcs are a ruined and terrible form of life. Melkor, seeking to attain the power to give life possessed only by Eru, twisted life into all manner of terrible things. The orcs and goblins and dragons were among these. Hence, Smaug's alliance with Sauron is a natural one in the sense that they were both servants of Morgoth in the elder days. In any case, Galadriel and Gandalf have likely known each other since long before she came to Middle-Earth. In his original form, Gandalf knew most of the elves and would walk amongst them in disguise, filling their hearts with visions which rendered them wiser and more graceful. It's very likely that a princess like Galadriel was a great beneficiary of this, and I doubt she's gone all these centuries without realizing it. As you can tell, she has a rather mystical way about her and I'm sure she realized exactly who Gandalf is and what history they shared. It's likely they have a relationship akin to that of a very faithful student and a master she has long since become a trusted colleague of, if that makes any sense. This is not to say Galadriel is without her great romances. But she is a very faithfully married woman. Her husband, Celeborn, was with her when the Fellowship first encountered her in Fellowship of the Ring. Together, they had a daughter named Celebrían who is in fact the wife of Elrond and mother of Arwen and her brothers, the twins Elrohir and Elladan. Unfortunately, the twins were not featured in any of the films to my knowledge. They were rather interesting characters.

Anonymous

Thank you so much for this trilogy! I'll try and keep this short, there's a deleted scene after the Tauriel and Thranduil confrontation (where he almost kills her but is stopped by Legolas), in which Gandalf approaches him and says "Those gems were not all your wife left you, my friend. She left you a son! Tell me, which would she have you value more?" - It's unfortunate they didn't keep this in, as it answers so many questions pertaining to why Thranduil is so hell-bent on retreiving those gems and it explains his hostility more towards Tauriel's concept of love. My most favourite scene from this film is when Thorin confronts Bilbo about what's in his hand, to then the revelation of the acorn. It's such a simple yet beautiful moment to see Bilbo's simplicity and humanity temporarily 'break the spell' Thorin is under due to the gold. You see just how much he treasures Bilbo's friendship in his facial expressions, it makes it all the more saddening at his eventual death. I'm saddened we depart Middle-Earth for now but maybe you'd consider giving the Amazon Lord Of The Rings series a try when it releases next year? Either way, thank you for these reactions and your understanding of the themes and ethics this trilogy attempt to portray.

JarHead0351

I did not know which I enjoyed the most watching the movie or your face when stuff happens in the movie - Your joyful smile or your dislike of certian people - thank you for watching this once again with you which did make the movie fresh again - Now since you have now watched the movie, take time to read the books

LightsCameraJake

Hey if you see this comment. GO to the credits and listen to the begining song. They bring back the actor who plays pippin to sing a sing he wrote for the movie.