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[Abelius]: Hello guys,

These are sad days for freedom of speech and open creativity in our community.

I don’t think many of you will have missed how Patreon has become the Spanish Inquisition and is suspending other creators’ accounts far and wide but yeah, they’re doing it alright and forcing people to “sanitize” (lol) their public posts so Patreon’s Morality Police don’t find a forbidden word they don’t like.

But I don’t want to overextend this post with a lengthy explanation on the state of things that you could Google, so I’ll proceed to explain what our reaction to this attack will be after we launch v0.1.

First and foremost: Patreon can’t be trusted anymore to host the social side of this project. Those topics they find so horrible to even contemplate in a fantasy game, will be included in LOK Rebirth (yeah, I said it) and I don’t want to fool around ‘carefully wording’ or using a paywall to just talk about our game. Even needing to hide nipples in an adult-tagged page was kind of moronic, but written words? Please bitch…

Second, it’s not like Patreon from a technical standpoint is that great you know… several basic features are missing and the ones that exist get on my nerves. Analytics are laughable and focused only on revenue, and I don’t know if you regularly browse Patreon through an Android device but man… that’s slow! And the post editor! Oh, the editor… don’t get me started on that awesome cornucopia of literary features and every web designer’s wet dream [ironic mode off].

And third… this is just about principles now. They already ostracized adult creators by not including our pages in their front page search results, but now they also want to control what we say in public? I beg your pardon…?!

So… okay, they “win”.

When we finish v0.1 and all beta bugs are squashed, I’ll set up a self-managed WordPress web server. Patreon will still be the way for us to gather your financial support, but every post, description, poll, preview, comment, etc., about the game, will be placed in there so Patreon’s Purity Crusaders don’t have any reason to complain about what we talk among ourselves outside their kingdom, okay?

Just to clarify the thing fully: you won’t need to do anything special to gain access to patron-only content at our future private server. There are a number of integration plugins that connect patrons’ status to the membership lists in a WP site. And non-patrons will still be able to see public posts in our server. Non-censored this time, of course!

Also, we will have many other features available to us that with Patreon are out of the question, like having a game forum for instance.

I hope this is enough for them to leave us alone with our legal, but immoral (according to them) hobbies.

Oh, and if you feel as mad as I’m feeling, you may want to sign on this…: openlettertopatreon.com

Thanks for reading and being our valiant supporters of inappropriateness. ^_^

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The Simpsons - Helen Lovejoy - Think of the children

Comments

kuja

Tagged this as patron-only, sorry. Changing it to Public.

Anonymous

Good idea...Patreon is infested with highly handicapped SJWs.

Icarus Media

This offends me as a vegan transgender atheist, who vapes and crossfits 4 times a week. And I'm also a male feminist as I identify myself as a pastafarian Apache helicopter dog mega multi combo god of hyper death and if you dont agree with me, then you're an ignorant arrogant globaphobic sexist lesbian. :-)

Anonymous

Its funny when "political correctness" impairs basic human rights recognized in International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights like the "Freedom of expression"

Anonymous

I'd love an alternative to patreon adult-content only. Would be much easier to find gems like LOK.

Anonymous

sigh.... ned the letter.

Albatros

Forget, there is no freedom of speech for a long time.

Icarus Media

<a href="https://hatreon.net/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://hatreon.net/</a>

Anonymous

Simpsons)))

TheSweetDemon

What a silly thing! Why are they doing that? the rules change for some reason or someone made a fool for what you said that does not affect the work that is good, thanks for the information, friend, je je

Anonymous

Totally agree, this guidelines are terrible. "and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors)" she is 300 years old vampire i swear. "This is especially important as Patreon welcomes different communities with different sensitivities", Blow me, i live in Russia and here most people are religious to them gay people are terrible and not normal. Same with lolicon outside of Japan. But just because something is not to pleasant to someone doesn't mean it harmful.

Anonymous

Political correctness gone haywire! It's really unfortunate that it has come to this, not just on Patreon, but with other websites like Youtube to drop a well-known example. Moving all NSFW content offsite seems like the most logical response. Hope all goes well and I think we all understand the frustration.

kuja

I'm even looking forward to that, now that I've made up my mind... :-D

Aftermath Team

Well said! I'll have to keep an eye on the changes you are making, and see if perhaps doing something similar for my own projects in the future would be a good idea. Always enjoyed the LOK games. I'm happy to hear that you have a viable alternate to the current chaos.

Odriew

I agree that what Patreon is doing is wrong, but man, that letter... why did the writers have to make everything about race? What a stupid thing to bring into this discussion.

Icarus Media

SJW's always have to make everything about race, colour or gender. Of course they then claim everyone else is racist or sexist. Boggles the mind I tell you.

kuja

Thanks! And yeah, maybe after I do this myself, I may put together a tutorial to guide other creators to do the same if they want.

Kian

You know I heard that patreon is specifically pointing these rules towards people using their website for porn such as online strip shows and not so much actual artist as long as you dont cross any extremes like bestialoty or stuff including children..

kuja

Yeah well, that would be awesome if the past days didn't teach us an entirely different story... First high profile adult creator to get suspended his account was Mr. Dots. He's writing which is probably the most tactful incest game of all times (Dating My Daughter). After a whole year of development, with monthly updates, the plot has finally got to the point of the daughter giving a HJ to his dad... That alone could give an impression of how respectful and consensual the sex is in that game. But Patreon didn't give a shit and suspended his account all the same, until he "sanitized" his front page, and now the game is called DmD and every reference to incest has been removed. Consensual or not. That was amazing enough at the time because Patreon promised to check on every INDIVIDUAL case, before acting. So I tried to be positive and thought “It must have been an error...” And then, two days later, KstGames was also suspended... What the fuck man!? “The Twist” clearly states there is no blood-related incest in there! Both the protagonist and his sister are adopted! Are they blind or something?! So, they're NOT looking into each case individually as they boldly claimed. They're just shooting first and "asking" later to fucking "sanitize" your front page, and who knows if the next thing they'll do is to actually download the games to see if there's something you're hiding in your public Patreon page... :-P I'm NOT putting up with that. Moreover, I'm not accepting I can't include blood-related incest in my game, nor bestiality or even a double-dicked demon ravaging a lizard hatchling after killing his mother in the damned village nursery! I won't do that, okay? But if I'm feel like creating that stupid 2D FANTASY event, there's nobody stopping me because it is legal to do so in the country I reside (we still differentiate between reality and fantasy over here…) and I'm not hosting the actual game on their servers. In fact, if we could leave the place altogether we’d do that, but there’s one thing to build a web server out of the blue and another thing to do the same adding an ecommerce infrastructure as well. But who knows in the future… The only thing I know is that they’re not even following their rules. Why should I follow them myself…? :-(

Netharius

I kinda knew after the whole paypal thing that eventually patreon would become cancer, guess i was right lol.