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Hey everyone,

I thought I'd release what I've edited so far from chapter 157, as it wraps up the final scene from the previous chapter. 

There's another big battle on the way that I've already written, but that's a bit later in the timeline, so I can't use those scenes yet.

Cheers

Tefler

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Michael56Smith

.231: --- then they take some loved up DECA and run it thru the Trankaran Star Forge, after Dana has tweaked it a bit, ... a Helene / Dana combo, who'd a thunk it? ... then Dana runes it too, ... this is armor way more powerful than Progenitor Black Metal, and no deaths to make it (solar powered?) .... does this mean a new Invictus, or just cub, that Dreadnaught Destroyer they have wanted, ... ;-) ttfn

Michael56Smith

Don't you think that Progenitor sensors might be able to detect Mael's lab / palace through 'hidey paint'? .... ;-) ttfn

Tefler Fan 007

So prediction on 157- John will probably build the new progenitor shield generators for the Raptor and Valkyrie first. Those shield generators are small enough that he could probably make complete shield generators in one go in the purified soul forge. The generator for Invictus is so big that they will have to make it in parts and assemble it. Invictus shield generator probably won’t be installed until final battle along with a shield generator to protect Faye. To install the shield generator on Invictus they will have to stop and remove armor plates from outside, remove old generator and then drop in new one. Much easier to do the Raptor and Valkyrie while they are moving around conducting hit and run attacks.

Michael56Smith

.154: I have a Million Credit Question: It seems to me, that to get Athena into a body that is hers (Athena only) then we must somehow take a copy of the Alyssa mind, and basically lobotomize it, then pop/graft the Guide personality (Athena) along with her separate memories onto that defenseless mind, ... all without seeming to be mean or cruel to the Alyssa mind, .... no wonder Tef is backing off of that Idea, ... but what Tef Twist might he then devise to save our bodiless beauty? Maybe some odd Mael'nerak techno solution. -- It has been suggested that she become a new personality matrix for a powerful AI (relacing the digital Faye), having a remote chassis of her own too, ... but would that satisfy her, or would she too, like Faye, wish for an organic body to better join with John and the girls? ... ;-) TTFN

jdg45

Do not forget the large-scale holo-projector also needed at Kythshara for Faye. Ch 123 Sakura turned to look at Dana. "Perhaps you could rig up some large-scale holo-projectors? They wouldn't have to be anything fancy... just copy the ones Mikaboshi used to conceal Yomi-no-kuni." "Yeah, I could do that no problem!" the redhead enthused, thinking about the holographic field that had hidden the assassin's mountain base.

Tefler Fan 007

I think they are just going to build huge progenitor shield to protect her.

Michael56Smith

.157: I wonder if in addition to shields, on the Kythsharan palace/lab, ... if they used those basic Holo-projectors (still onboard the Invictus?), I bet they could be used for some distracting Camophlage, along with a few quickly built gadgets for giving the thrall sensors some false energy readings, thus giving the thrall forces some broken buildings to shoot at, (pseudo factories and hospitals for false targets?), ... so, nothing would be lost, ... ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

I can't relate to any moral qualms about cloning Alyssa and transplanting Athena. The clone would be a blank slate, no consciousness, no nothing. It would still need a spark of life, same as Faye's new vessel, and transplanting Athena's personality wouldn't replace anything, since there is nothing there... before she is given the spark, she can barely even be considered fully alive...

Michael56Smith

.159: I didn't read it that way vonzki, some of my assumptions were in line with yours, until Tef wrote about All the Problems with separating Athena from Alyssa and making her a separate entity, ... I am currently thinking that a digital physical presence, with no 'spark of life' required, is the way to go, ... a shame, because I wanted an Alyssa twin running around, but maybe her chassis could be a cute and sexy blonde, ... but Tef should find a way for Athena, ... ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

Well, who knows... maybe she'll get a galkiran matriarch body, if she turns out irredeemable... ;)

Tefler Fan 007

Don’t see issues making clone. Just don’t add Alyssa memory and leave the mind blank. Transfer Athena and she will have all her own memories from when she was created. Maels Terran clones were built with adult brains and basic functions like walking, eating, etc…. Athena would have her own memories.

Jedi Khan

The issue is that Athena is not an entirely separate entity. She is part of Alyssa's mind. In order to move over Athena, you have to copy over Alyssa's mind as well. Another facet of that is that Athena is Alyssa's sealed potential. Even if you could separate Athena from Alyssa's mind, you'd also be removing the potential that Athena's continued existence prevents Alyssa from accessing. The point is, as much as it might seem like Athena and Alyssa are separate entities, they actually are not.

Michael56Smith

.163: ... thank you venerable Jedi (master) Khan, you clarified that very well, ... and that was in accord with what Tef recently wrote, ... that is why I think going the digital route for Athena may be our only option, ... but Tef is a universe builder, he might have a better idea, (that he can always blame on Dana and Mael'nerak), ... ;-) TTFN

Tefler Fan 007

However if they go the AI/digital route then they will be able to eventually transfer her into a body. Faye is digital and is being transferred to a body.🤔

Jedi Khan

I...don't see how Athena going digital is going to resolve the problem of her being part of Alyssa. If you make an AI based off of Athena, you'll just end up with an incomplete imitation of Athena while the real one is either still stuck in Alyssa's head or has been absorbed. As stated, Athena is not a separate entity from Alyssa. She is a partition of Alyssa's mind. Once absorbed, everything that is Athena becomes Alyssa's, including her memories and the potential she was holding. It's impossible to separate out Athena from Alyssa. Either Athena gets over her concerns about holding Alyssa back, or Alyssa and John accept that Athena will have to cease to exist.

Tefler Fan 007

Baen’thalas Righter of Wrongs. Tefler will find a way to save Athena.🙏

Michael56Smith

.167: yeah, so what if it takes an extra step or two, ... and for sure that is what Athena really wants, ... then John could risk his life again for that spark of life, ... sure, ... no problemo, ... '-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.168: Well Jedi (master) Khan, it is my belief, not Tef's writings, that in a digital format, Irillith (maybe with cyber-Faye's help) might be able to safely grant Athena a separate and complete mind, ... all without harming Alyssa, it would just be the rewriting and deleting, from a digital COPY, some massive bits of code using Mael'neraks' guidelines, ... I am fairly confident that it would work, ... if Tef blesses it, ... and Daphne crosses her fingers for extra luck, ... and if it's really necessary, Maintenance 'bot #13 could try a cyber mind meld, ... ;-) TTFN

Jedi Khan

I believe the term you are looking for to describe how Athena could become a separate individual in her own body is "handwavium."

Anonymous

Let's not forget "contrivium"! A healthy dose of it can solve every plot conundrum. You could say, that contrivium is the antidote to conundrum.

Anonymous

Given the nature of this story, I wouldn’t get tied up too much about separating Athena from Alyssa’s mind being “realistic”.

Michael56Smith

.177: I might have said or implied 'realistic', but what I was most concerned with was all the roadblocks to getting a separate body for Athena that Tef set up, .... he has another plan in mind, and I just hope it is not to kill Athena off, ... ;-) TTFN

Florida Reader

So I think this is all drama for drama's sake. Of course Alyssa/Athena can be copied into an AI or empty mind. The technology exists in that universe or is readily discoverable. Go ahead and make an Alyssa clone. Have Alyssa Prime and Alyssa Beta work out the techniques to retain/realease aspects of each other. One needs to recall that the original Alyssa was imprinted with a locked away Athena ONLY AFTER she became John's Matriarch. But that process has changed her as well. So some of Athena is probably essential to what Alyssa has become, and some of Alyssa has probably become essential to what Athena has become. There can be entire story lines where they work out the blend of personality traits/features/memories that are essential to the highest level functioning for both of them. My view is that the hand-wringing and worry at present is just fluff and drama for fill. I am not worried as to how Tefler works out the details, he will soon enough, I am sure.

Florida Reader

Camoph... Camelphage .... shit ... Camgirlbod ... aw fuckit. How about "Hidey Paint?" FIFY

Michael56Smith

.182: Nah, Gahl'kelgor was just raised as a spoiled rotten god/child, ... and under Xar'azuith's not so benign influence, ... now we see this unique Progenitor's personality emerging under the Shroud, ... it might still take him many millennia to finally grow up, with no role model, ... but for now he is still an Asshat! ;-) TTFN

Jedi Khan

Don't think he has a guide. What's going on now is that he has realized that he was a puppet for most of his life and is now working on developing parts of his identity that were suppressed by Xar.

Michael56Smith

.184: And again, with no role model that Gahl'kelgor would think to use (No, not Baen'thelas, even though that would be the best possible) he won't make progress in less than a few millennia, ... or likely longer with his 'yes' girls around him, ... John just has to take all his thralls from him, no matter what, ... it's the right thing to do, ... ;-) TTFN

Tefler Fan 007

A normal progenitor absorbs his guide once he reaches a certain level. GK probably did something really bad to his step parents because Xar or his Guide told him to.

Michael56Smith

.185: We have not had a lot of first person, Progenitor, knowledge regarding what is normally done with damaged thrall fleet vessels, ... we have been assuming, total or near total destruction of fleet vessels, no plan in place to retrieve and repair them, ... and how would you repair a PBM hull anyway? They might evacuative surviving crew from damaged vessels, ... but I think ole Gahl was both shocked and confused by Baen'thelas's behavior, so he said to leave them behind, and that will work against to evil Asshat, of course, -- with an Empire's worth of resources and a Soul Forge, and multiple thousands of new thralls each month, they would just build, and staff new ships as needed, ... I wonder what they 'normally' did with the old/broken ships, ... leave them adrift? cast them into the nearest star? perform some salvage to upgrade civilian vessels? (Power cores, capacitors, couplings, sensors, a few weapons), ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.186: And if John is NOT going to kill off the evil, misogynistic, and adolescent-minded Progenitor, Gahl'kalgor, he might be able to get some intel from him, that Rahn is not around to advise them on, ... like telling them the 'normal' ways Progenitor do things, ... or his former Matriarch, Valeria, might know a lot too, ... (do you think Val will be another Matriarch for John?) ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.187: And Gahl sheds a tear now that he is under the shroud, but he has no role model to help him become a 'real boy'. other than John, ... a shame really, ... what if all the Progenitors could be made to rise up against Xar all at the same time, ... well that would end Three Square, wouldn't it? Except for the Tom Walker, Fugitive among the Stars, sequel series, ... ;-) TTFN

2ndAndrocentric

Correct, for many reasons John is better off not killing Gal. A nice rest in a cryotube maybe...

Michael56Smith

-- Or Lynnette can find the de-thralled Gahl'kalgor a top-flight Behavoural Psychiatrist for him to enthrall (she'd be youthened and restored to her passionate prime), while Alyssa shields/protects her mind, and the lovely shrink gets to give both Rahn and Gahl lessons on how to not be Asshats, and they both learn (be shown) how to remove those 'control' and 'I can't live without him' threads... and eventually they'll get to be fully trained/educated to be descent people (wow, really big goal!), only then could they be allowed to progress past the 'only one Terran Matriarch/wards - not make any mindless obedient thralls, and finally be able (allowed to choose from a group selected by Lynette) to recruit a few more Terrans, and the former bad-boys are completely amazed how much more psychic power there is in their wide open energy channels now (surprise!), ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.191: Plus, I would love to see Larn's old dreadnought get a thorough interior make over, ... bright paint, bright lights, and rip out all the old damaged / melted portions, and lay in some tons of recycled titanium to cover up a lot of the PBM, ... restock the ships depleted food stores with Maliri grub and wines, ... not too much, but they have to at least have a replacement for the Tea the old crew ran out of, ... and maybe some Terran foods for Jessica to show off her skills with, ... all while the boys are getting their 'be nice guys' lessons, ... ;-) TTFN

jdg45

Progenitors have inbuild strong psychic powers. Letting them loose in any situation could be exceedingly dangerous! No one but another progenitor, or Alyssa, could stand against them. Let alone Lyntette's top-flight Behavoural Psychiatrist!!!

Michael56Smith

..193: Yeah, but I really want John to be able to salvage at least some of his, Asshat, Progenitor brothers, ... starting with John's father and a de-thralled Asshat, who are both, except for one mentally protected new Matriarch who might be able to help him to 'mature' in a positive manner, while they are psychically almost running on empty, ... Gahl'kalgor along with Rahn'hagon, who, despite his mellowing Hermit-Scholar years in isolation on Arcadia, is also in need of some 'growing up', and has much to learn/relearn, ... perhaps a powerful AI and a small army of robots, sentient maintenance, cleaning and security 'bots, ... to ride herd on these 'bad boys' along with a couple of Terran Matriarchs to help them get better, ... I frankly admit this is a fairly dangerous experiment, ...;-) TTFN

Tefler Fan 007

So is John and Crew going to celebrate Halloween this year?🤔. I can see Alyssa as a innocent school girl, Dana as Sexy cheerleader, Calara as sexy sailor, Rachel as slutty nurse, Sakura as a Hentai character, Jade as the tentacle monster to ravish Sakura, Jehanna will be slutty secretary, Helene as a sexy mermaid, and the rest of the nymphs will be sexy cat girls.😁

Anonymous

Why do you spam nonsense in the comments? Is it to attempt to hide critical comments?

Tefler Fan 007

So anyone else think that 157 will have Dana make the new primary weapons for Raptor 2.0? Maybe use the new purified soul forge to make the charging chamber out of DECA (Dana Enhanced Crystal Alyssum) and then make the barrels out of 35 shaped CA. Or they make the barrel in 2m sections of DECA that screw together.

Rayce Royal

I'm excited to see what changes are made to the mech and the Raptor, as well as how they are going to shield the Invictus during this cat-and-mouse game with Gal

Tefler Fan 007

The mech should be interesting, it’s small enough that they might be able to make all the armor for it with the purified soul forge. Interested in seeing how they do the weapon layout too.

Big Orca

Imagine juicing up the mech and the Raptor, and add cloaking to them. Imagine Gal thinking 3 Progenitor dreadnaughts are attacking his fleet simultaneously.

Tefler Fan 007

Raptor already has cloak but just needs two new primary weapons to fit in the two 10m weapon locations.

Michael56Smith

.202: I really like the DECA reference, ... and not only will Dana come up with a new and more powerful primary weapon for the raptor, but she will also deck out the Valkyrie with some stunningly over-the-top of the line goodies, ... that's our little red-headed genius, ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

204: Don't worry about Thomas Phillips, He is planning to go away soon, ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.205: ... well RR besides the 35 shaped Hull-Armor, John was preparing to build progenitor shield generators (and power cores too) for the Invictus, the Raptor and the Valkyrie too, ... then later, smaller ones for the Paragon suits, ... and the Invictus is faster and more maneuverable than a regular Progenitor Dreadnought, and should perform extremely well against thrall battleships, cruisers, and destroyers, ... yes, there is danger, but John, Calara and the girls are playing to their advantages, ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.206: ... I have my doubts that even Dana's genius can make the Valkyrie stealth-camouflaged, and strong enough to pretend to be another dreadnought, ... or maybe she could, ... things that make you go hummm, ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.207: ... but Sakura needs to be with John at the Dual with Gahl'kalgor, the Asshat will likely insist on Valeria teaming with him, ... Sakura will so smack her down, ... then team with John to defeat Gahl, ... ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

I think Athena should be copied into a blank Alyssa clone and then absorbed to move Alyssa to ... the next level.

Tefler Fan 007

She made football size stealth generators for the Cloaked mines, I think she can make one for the Valkyrie😁

Tefler Fan 007

They’re gonna need the Valkyrie for the initial assault on the Dreadnought to bring down the shields but then she can dock and join the boarding action.

Michael56Smith

.212: Maybe, ... but that Tef is a stinker for doing things in ways we don't expect, ... sometimes, ... that's a maybe, ... ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.213: A Duel Wally, and we now get to see if the practice with Luna and Edraele paid off, ... And you just know that the Asshat is going down, ...;-) TTFN

Tefler Fan 007

So the new purified soul forge is the one that made the wormhole generator currently on the Invictus. It was held together by Dana’s golden lattice, and her abilities. The purified soul forge can only make items roughly 2 m in size. That means the new warm hole generator is the same size as one of their Gatling lasers, pulse cannons, and original Tachyon cannons. Considering the whole ship is 750 m in length it’s a very small object. They could probably make wormhole generator bombs for massive destruction similar to how Mael used his.

Tefler Fan 007

Almost all the Maliri, except senior officers, that will fight GK thralls will still have the genetic conditioning to hate the enemy thralls. Are they gonna follow orders and hold back when they need them to? Or are they going to just attack at random? This could be an issue for the upcoming fleet battle.

Tefler Fan 007

Detonate one in the middle of the attacking fleets and it will disabled most of the ships. It will be the super mine and doesn’t even have to attach to a ships hull.

Michael56Smith (edited)

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2023-03-30 07:17:19 .216: So many things to worry about and consider, all shortly before Tef tells the tale HIS way, ... my head is spinning, ... but the New Shield generator for the Raptor will be about the same size as the Invictus Wormhole Generator, both < 2 meters square, ... and the Shield generator for the Invictus will need to be made in parts and assembled, ... Chief Engineering Officer Dana is so happy to have that mini soul-forge aboard, and John's new abilities makes him almost a Fabrication Machine as well, ... lots of fun gadgets in our future? oh yeah baby!!! ;-) TTFN
2022-10-31 18:27:13 .216: So many things to worry about and consider, all shortly before Tef tells the tale HIS way, ... my head is spinning, ... but the New Shield generator for the Raptor will be about the same size as the Invictus Wormhole Generator, both < 2 meters square, ... and the Shield generator for the Invictus will need to be made in parts and assembled, ... Chief Engineering Officer Dana is so happy to have that mini soul-forge aboard, and John's new abilities makes him almost a Fabrication Machine as well, ... lots of fun gadgets in our future? oh yeah baby!!! ;-) TTFN

.216: So many things to worry about and consider, all shortly before Tef tells the tale HIS way, ... my head is spinning, ... but the New Shield generator for the Raptor will be about the same size as the Invictus Wormhole Generator, both < 2 meters square, ... and the Shield generator for the Invictus will need to be made in parts and assembled, ... Chief Engineering Officer Dana is so happy to have that mini soul-forge aboard, and John's new abilities makes him almost a Fabrication Machine as well, ... lots of fun gadgets in our future? oh yeah baby!!! ;-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.217: ... innocent thralls, compelled to follow orders, ... John doesn't wish to kill any more innocents than he has to, he needs to defend the Maliri and all of 'shrouded space' from Xar'azuith and his minions, ... John just wants the innocents to be saved, ...;-) TTFN

Tefler Fan 007

The shield generators for both Raptor and Valkyrie should be able to make in one go with the new purified soul forge. I would really be happy if they somehow make a complete set of armor for the Valkyrie using the new soul forge and then Dana adds resistance runes to it.

Tefler Fan 007

Remember Dana’s runes were strong enough to protect the Raptor from Larns psychic attack. He needed his thralls to shoot out the window. Dana has gotten a lot stronger in the last 25 chapters.

Tefler Fan 007

Just detonating it in front of their fleet would wipe out their shields, and their PBM armor should allow them to survive, but they would probably be severely damaged.

2ndAndrocentric

Don't know but maybe they won't have to fight at all. If Gahl's fleets get crippled, he could be offered exhile in a Gaia class planet with good fishing but no more space travel. They could be taken there off the crippled ships by non-thrall races like Terrans or Ashana that don't have that conditioning. That would be best for John as it would prevent Xar from learning when and how John defeated Gahl. That way the spider mines and other tactics would be a surprise to the next progenitor who might be sent much later. It would also make Xar worry that with Gahl NOT dead and not fighting, that maybe he is going to have more "defectors". I say keep Gahl alive is the best strategic move. Just disable the wormhole generator and his ship's mobility as well. Besides the cloak breaker sensors, perhaps the catgirls will be able to locate Gahl's cloaked ship the way Jade was able to follow cloaked shuttles (much smaller) by noticing the black "hole" in the background starlight. That way they can blow out the engines and barf generator without ever facing Gahl directly.

Anonymous

Alyssa glanced at the chronometer and saw that it was nearly 9 AM. “We should start prepping the spider mines. By the time we’ve got them all configured, it’ll be time to stay laying the next minefield.” Sorry for the poor format. I'm on mobile. Shouldn't it be start instead of stay. Also another possible typo I noticed. Shouldn't the word impigned be impugned? Or would that be past tense?