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Patreon,

Being an adult content creator is quickly becoming a confusing and demoralizing experience on your platform. Whether through intent or honest miscalculation we are being made to feel shame and fear on a regular basis - feelings we are all too familiar with during the normal course of our lives where our very existence is seen as taboo.

I am now in a position where I have to defend the creative merit of my work to what are, in effect, moral police who have judged my work to be either ‘unsafe’ or ‘untrustworthy’, which I do not know. Which work, they would not even initially say. When they did say, they provided subfolder links which I do not list on my Patreon campaign or as a Patreon reward.

What’s more is that these works were created far before these guidelines were established as written today and have been publicly available for years. They do not exist as any sort of ‘reward’ for participation in my campaign. This puts myself and creators like me on edge. It means that Patreon can demand creative control on personal websites regarding works which do not currently have any tangible link to Patreon at all.

If this indignity were not enough I furthermore believe that this comic exists as a specific exception under Patreon’s own rules against depictions of non-consensual sex.

We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing these types of creations, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative.

In the opening scene of Arcadia, boy is given a script to read. When he reads from the script he becomes the role from which he reads. He’s made to stand on stage and read those lines against his will and becomes forever changed as a result. Below you’ll find a philosophical discussion which takes up nearly half the comic which is very much relevant to the comic’s message. The metaphor for transgenderism in this comic is, to me, frankly obvious, but the fact I have to explain it at all is the failure here.

Patreon has forced me to out myself in this way in order to justify my work’s existence which is deplorable in and of itself. They have held up an example of my work as unacceptable, work which is deeply personal to me and I will defend it’s artistic merit without reservation. Work which I honestly believe deserves to be funded on Patreon even though it isn’t and is free to the public.

If this is not a mistake, the real issue here isn’t the intent or message of the work, it is very unfortunately the fact that it comes with images that make people uncomfortable. Patreon needs to step back and evaluate how it handles these cases from here on out. Apologies would not fix the problems inherent in this type of system. The system fails every time an artist has to explain the artistic merit in their obvious metaphor or explain the good these discussions do for marginalized communities who have been made to feel shame for their entire lives.

Comments

Maku

Very well said Cora, I hope patreon can help support artists and not exclude creators like they have been.

Glein

I have to agree with Cora here. Several artists I follow on Patreon are basically afraid of creating the content they want to create because of this seemingly randomly shifting view on these kinds of topics, at the same time, I've seen some creators I follow post content far worse than anything Cora has made, by this very same shifting standards, and there is no repercussions. Either Patreon needs to figure out a co-hesive and unbiased system, or they need to get those who are effectively abusing their position's authority out.

Anonymous

Patreon, the last thing this platform needs is someone playing the Morals Police. Go ahead and chase off all the adult artists, I hear that worked out really great for Tumblr. -_-;

Anonymous

I love your work cora sorry that patrion is being dicks

Anonymous

Harassment, for the purpose of moral policing. Pure and simple harassment. I'm not surprised creators are moving to other platforms.

Anonymous

Simply deplorable what patreon has been doing. If they keep this up they'll bleed out a massive amount of their income like Tumblr did. I wish they would sit back and realize they're repeating history in a way they really don't want to financially.

Wat

To be quite honest, though it's not my cup of tea in stories or art I do myself, trying to sanitize the world of the idea of non-consensual sex seems incredibly shortsighted and counter productive in a "ministry of truth" or "big brother" kind of way. Not having bad thoughts or bad ideas is impossible, and forcing us to keep them out of our stories is unrealistic and almost insulting to people who have suffered from those things. Sexual violence is a real thing that happens, much like regular violence, death, and other bad stuff and sometimes stories call for those things to ground them. I think it's very shortsighted to ban these subjects out of some misguided attempt to make the world a better place, dark stories are important to ground our morals, not to get us to do bad things. I think Patreons rules on these subjects, not allowing them in fictional stories, is definitely a step too far.

Anonymous

General ethics of platform policing aside: It is unacceptable to require additional context to judge the moral quality of a work. The context is given by the work and by society itself. The "I know it when I see it" quote from Potter Stewart about qualifying pornography is correct in that a judge must be able to determine the ethical nature of a work without seeking to elevate themselves or become privy to some sort of "special knowledge". It is the work that is on trial, not the creator.

Anonymous

Seeking additional information about or from the creator is inappropriate, and depending on the nature of this interaction, may even be actionable.

corablue

Thank you Wat. I appreciate your input. Finding acceptance even from those that don't consume the content is valuable in a way that you don't really get from interested fans.

Lorkynn

It's almost like they're trying to bring in ad revenue or something, or they're afraid of lawsuits that they're protected from. :/ It's also stupid they are doing this now, and not when Patreon was first created. Pro-Actively adding something like this to your ToS is one way to get everyone to leave.

Anonymous

None of these comics are real. They are drawn and none of these pixels suffered anything at any point. I don't see any problem here. As for content in general. As long as its nothing illegal, patreon should not start poking in.

Anonymous

Money > art. Patreon is a business, not your friend. Keep fighting back. love you cora <3

Robert Louis Stoll

I will follow you to any money source to fund your asset at my current level

Arianna Altomare

This is honestly incredibly disappointing and frustrating for a platform that I love to support creators on and give feedback. Everything else aside, the complete and total lack of consistency here is so dangerous when people are building entire lifestyles or careers. Cora has spent significant time communicating with Patreon in the past around expectations of content, receiving conflicting answers about what is OK or not on this platform. Patreon needs to respect their stances and provide reasonable relief to both creators and their patrons. Moving inappropriate content off the direct site is fine, but attempting to police someone's entire presence as long as they're receiving Patreon funding is completely ludicrous, and has driven so much revenue off of the site already. This needs to be thought trough much more carefully on Patreon's end, else I'm afraid that this is the start of more arbitrary and sudden decisions that will drive more and more people away to competitors.

Anonymous

I find the fact that this content is being policed in anyway is disgusting. its art, nobody in these PIECES OF ART are real and whenever i see arguments about it, the advocation for censorship of it always boils down to "but i don't like it". I hate seeing this kind of thing happen, especially to artists whose work i enjoy and I've already seen it happen to a few other creators because they refused to compromise the integrity of their game/art/whatever. Artists shouldn't have this kind of policing happening to their work on OR off this site and it makes me exceedingly angry to see it happen time and time again. I'll continue to support your work however I can Cora, regardless of what happens.

Little Napoleon

I am so, SO sorry Cora :( This whole situation is awful, and the way you've stated your case couldn't have been better said. I guess if there are any takeaways for those of us in the community, it is that 1) In the eyes of business, what we do is taboo, 2) Platforms have unwritten policies and/or make arbitrary decisions not in line with stated rules or ideals, with complete disregard for the welfare of their users, and 3) Job security (on Patreon and elsewhere) is an illusion. I sincerely hope that you can appeal to reason and help them understand the context of your content-- if, as they say, the atrocities committed in Game of Thrones fiction writing is allowed, then the relatively tame content of your creation should absolutely be permissible. Please keep us apprised of what happens, and our hopes that this can be resolved quickly and without censorship.

Anonymous

It's a moral wrong by companies to posit what the right way one should express themselves, especially when there comes the implicit use of power to take away a persons means of financial stability. Furthermore it shows their narrow view of how to be a company for the people when they decide to pick on someone from a vulnerable group who has found a way to express herself and her experiences, make a livelihood from it and find a group of people supportive of her.

Zod

As someone who has worked with a lot of places where CYI is more a way of life than a business model, the thing I find the most frustrating isn't the policies themselves, but the inconsistent enforcement of them. I hope your issues get resolved quickly.

SilverhawkPX45

This lack of clarity about what is and what isn't okay to put on the platform is so unprofessional, but that isn't the most egregious issue here. No, the big issue is how they feel like they need to manage things that aren't even on their site. It's about overreaching and policing a part of an artists body of work that is neither advertised on nor affiliated with Patreon. The "example" provided is CoraBlue's personal website and the comic in question is freely available. The fact that Patreon isn't asking "please don't share this type of content on our platform" - which would at least be understandable, if draconic and in the case of Arcadia, wholly unnecessary - but is instead saying "don't create this type of content at all". For a platform that proudly proclaims how it's "for the creators", that is absolutely appalling. Pretty much everything about this situation was fucked up by Patreon, the when (years after the creation of the comic), the how (flagging the account without any context or explanation past "you did bad, these are our policies") and especially the why (out of everything to get upset about, it's Arcadia?!). Patreon, make up your mind about whether you WANT adult content on your website or not, these half-measures cause substantial harm to the mental well-being of the creators that depend on the income your platform provides. If you don't feel like actually supporting those artists, they can ditch your platform for one that does and be done with it!

Anonymous

Patreon is greatly overreaching trying to pass judgement on artists content outside of their services. [Even at ALL is an outrage!] And their arbitrary enforcement of their changed rules and guidelines is even more infuriating, especially enacting those polices retroactively to previous works and content is heinously wrong and insulting to the creators. I hope that this whole issue can be resolved and Patreon can make changes that better reflect it's actual user base. Or make it crystal clear they don't want ANY of those type of creators present in any capacity. So that those creators can move on to platforms and services that won't bully, belittle, and insult their creative freedom, and be able to remove themselves from this clearly toxic environment that threatens their livelihoods on their on the whims of Patreon's own arbitrary moral policing.

Bluegreydragon

I hope they get off your back, unfortunately a lot of the people at these companies want to get rid of anything that could be a risk for them. Hopefully your able to convince them to not censor you.

Anonymous

Censorship is censorship regardless what motivates to do that censorship. Even when it is governmental will to defend itself from critical thinking for the sake of staying in control like in China? It is censorship. Even when it is using religion and religious doctrine - regardless of the dogma they follow - to justify control over other people by limiting what they may think, speak or express? It is censorship. Even when it is the coersion from the powerful through the threat to your well being, finances, integrity, freedom of expression, freedom of speech... It is still censorship. Is Patreon trying to go through the path of Tumblr? That thing is just a worthless husk and embarrasment for Verizon for what they invested into it - they lost millions. And for what? For feeling of moral superiority to be able to ban porn. Patreon. You are making your own revenue sources - creators and their followers - afraid. People who are afraid for their own future will lose trust to the system that makes them afraid and trust is the most valuable commodity I know on this planet. China is going through this now. Russia is going through this now. Police in US is going through this. Many many others around the world are facing this reality. When you lose the trust of those you depend on, you will fall. Creators - especially creators for drawn - I have to emphasize: DRAWN - smut are afraid for their livelihood and are losing their trust on you and your ability to defend them against bigotry. When this distrust culminates to a point, it will make other creators afraid too. Because they don't know when their niche is being targeted next. Creators want to create and feel free in doing so. So. Patreon. Keep enabling this as this is what made you relevant in the first place.

Ahab

This is sadly something I predicted would happen a long while ago and would be coming sooner or later. It's why I'm only a patron of you and one other creator on this platform. It is not because there aren't other worthy creatives I'd like to support, but because I drew a line in the sand contributing more dosh from which Patreon would take a cut. Whatever your personal beliefs, they first came for controversial commentary. Then they decided to cave to pressure against humorists of dubious sincerity. It was only a matter of time before they decided that objections to taboo erotica are merited. You may want to look into something like SubscribeStar. A lot of creators I know of are setting up backups there or migrating altogether in response to Patreon's policies, enforcement, bias, and inconsistencies. It's NOT "Patreon for Nazis" or whatever you've heard from people who are interested in establishing a captive and consolidated crowd-funding economy run to their preferences. If more talented people give functional alternative services a shot, then things have a chance to change. I know that Kickstarter is losing out to IndieGoGo for similar reasons on a lot of worthwhile projects.

Anonymous

This has been going on for a while now, Patreon has been banning people for off-site content that has nothing to do with this site at all. This is what happens when you let in people that want to censor things, it starts with the more extreme but slowly but surely expands to affect everything. The moral policing will only get worse... I strongly suggest you set up multiple accounts on a variety of different sites as back up or even set something up so as to not need a middleman at all, or risk losing access to your livelihood. This is the end result of any form of content policing/censorship.

ComicTF

If I may share: I was a teenager when I first became an uncle. I was terrified of being near my young nephew, because he was this precious, delicate new thing in my family's life. More than anything I had persistent intrusive thoughts that I was going to rape and kill him. It terrified me. The fear that I was going to be one of those abusive monsters when all I've ever received from my family was love. I thought I knew the signs; I was a creepy loner with strange kinks, I seemed destined to be the monster to my nephew's life story. I opened up to an old art mentor about this, and she told me to draw it. The idea was abhorrent to me, to dare entertain the thought would be tantamount to admitting my own sick desires. She doubted I genuinely felt this way but said that if I really did, the safest way to realize these feelings was on paper, in a fictional world where I couldn't hurt anyone. That convinced me, so I put pen to paper. After an hour I had lost all steam, all the cracks in my 'flawless' logic were starting to show and my indignation was welling up. No one was ever going to hurt my nephew because if they did I would murder them, even if that person was me. There was nothing good about the thing I had drawn, but had I not let the thought run its course I would have continued to carry it for who knows how long. Some of the most important art is not pretty, kind, or wholesome. It's raw, emotional, and sometimes painful to look at. Never be afraid to express yourself, you have support.

Cischiral

I am really sorry about all of this. I'll follow your campaign whichever platform it moves to (... so long as I can access it unlike Discord.) The message you wrote them pasted above is really impressive in its argumentation and delivery though, I hope it helps.