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Soliciting ideas for the $10 tier (Patreon)

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2021-02-21 18:58:24
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I'd like to do something more for the Patreon $10 tier right now. Currently, there's no benefit or difference between the $5 and the $10 tier ($15 gets cameos)

Like, I initially thought side-stories would be great, but I've paused on them for the moment to not burn out. Also, people keep voting to expand side stories to everyone, so at the end of the day it's kinda a wash - it doesn't give all that much.


I'm somewhat tempted to make the $10 tier 15 chapters ahead, although that'd be a lot of work.


I like letting everyone see all artwork.


My ideas are fairly limited. Anyone have suggestions for what I can do to reward the $10 tier?

(Naturally anything the $10 gets all the tiers above also get)

Comments

Anonymous

So, I have gathered many ideas for when I finally start posting my story... First: depending on the number of 10 Tier Patreons, you can make the Art Poll based on their opinions. Second: Maybe they also decide what kind of side chapters they would like Third: Extra discord channel where they have a monthly/weekly definite time to write directly with you about any of their inputs on the history (so, you are online) Forth: If any of them would like a character, an idea or something they would like to see on your story, you can make it so that a monthly "winner" can have a time with you to discuss about it, send you a word or whatever, and you use their (adapted) idea in a way that you like. Maybe also Naming one of the characters? Many authors insist on their anonymity, but since I don't care about that (if I did I wouldn't use google), I was thinking about making a 10 Tier Patreon Stream where they could interact with me on a chat and I would talk to them. I would only change my name and show my face, cause people like to relate to that So, the first and second would be actually my future 5€ Tier, and third and fourth, my 10th tier. And believe me, you will get more patreons if you do not separate your readers with how many advanced chaps they have, not from 5 to 10€. Between 1 and 5€ is okay

Thransk

You could do quarterly physical rewards, but it would obviously be a lot more work and you might have to make it higher tier reward. Things like stickers, small trading cards, or similar items would be cool and you could probably find a company that specializes in patron fulfillment. Full access to neatly formatted epub versions and PDFs of chapter bundles would be great. If you ever do a limited hardcopy run of your work, then think about giving $10+ first access/discounts. As the world building becomes bigger and better, create little quizzes like on Sporcle or wordbanks for skribbl.io and host regular trivia nights/competitions with fun prizes (special discord role or something) and make entry exclusive to $10+ patrons. Access to top tier mango based recipes. Beyond artwork, maybe look into commissioning a webtoon/webcomic of memorable chapters or events.

George

more chapters ahead would be the biggest seller

Anonymous

There are many dangers in splitting readerbase into too many tiers.

Anonymous

From personal expierience, as soon as the early chapters numbers are divided by 5 and 10$ i more often than not, will no longer be a patron there. 5 bucks is not a lot, but if you pledge to 10-15 people that diff will add up. So at the end of each month, i will „trimm“ some.

Anonymous
>>54108984

(posting comments with mobile sucks) To clarify there is a huge premium feeling difference between getting things first vs getting things earlier. You write chapters fast enough so time to wait between RR and 5$ isn't that big. And at the same time just a few more chapters for double that... well from time perspective isn't that much. 5€ loses premium feeling and is more likely to lose more people into 0 than to 10. Personally i have 2 x 5 subs ongoing at the moment. kosnik magic smithing being the other.

Anonymous

Mmmm you could do side stories for the ten dollar tier; I think a story around Artemis or Toxic or such could be interesting and if those are locked at the 10$ tier they’re no big loss for the rest of the readers.

Anonymous

When there is someone asking for more than $5, I look at two things, posting speed, and how far ahead are you from the free release and is that difference changing. What you need is a bigger audience/traffic to make more $$$. You need to get word of mouth out there, rather than trying to squeeze the people you have tighter. It isn't easy, but that is my suggestion.

Anonymous

I dont have any ideas that havent been named by the others before though I agree that giving earlier access to more chapters doesn't really come off as a great reward for a tier, as i see it, it is essentially a one time reward no matter how long you subscribe and can turn into a punishment (depending on posting speed) when for whatever reason a patreon has to go with a lower tier for a while as you get the amount of chapters you get access to ahead and then rely on the same posting speed as everyone else and as soon as you go to a lower tier you will have to wait until the chapter's you where ahead have passed. If there is enough of a backlog of chapters to support it, this can be one bonus to a tier, but it shouldn't be the main difference or reward in my opinion.

Anonymous

I would suggest every once in a while holding a character idea contest, where people submit different character concepts and then they get voted on. Or a monster idea contest, with the same concept.

Anonymous

Tier 15 get cameo, Tier 10 can give monsters descriptions or strange place to discover. (exemple of side story(ies?) : "The Geographics Wonders of the Know World", with each chapters a strange, fun, interesting place discovered in or near humans lands by explorators? (small sides stories where there isn't any talking or characters, only describe a place and maybe the monsters/animals living here, to add some wold building, since the gods played... god? when creating the world and some strange place can still exist 🤔). (Lot of work, but maybe a little easier than the main story to write)

PlasmaticPi

15 chapters ahead would be nice eventually, and would make me upgrade to that tier, but you should address the potential burnout problem. I would suggest taking a page out of other authors on patreon and take a one week break around like the first or second week of every month. Other than that not sure what to say, main reason people are on patreon are extra chapters.

Anonymous

i'm happy with the 10$ benefits currently, burnouts should be avoided :)

Anonymous

My personal opinion not extra chapters. What you can do is set up an poll where those on 10+ can vote on pov character they want to see. So you can the write an chapter for the story with that veiw point. You decide on what can be picked in the poll so it fits with the story.

Viola

At a 5$ Tier, even if I stop reading the novel for a time I will stay on board. That being said if 5$ isn't the highest tier I won't settle for less. Personally it's either max chapters ahead or normal public release. My limit for any novel is 10$, 15$ if it is an absolutely amazing novel with a high enough base release rate and enough extra chapters to justify it... I haven't found one yet that got a second month out of me. I don't say this to tell you not to do it. It is your choice and you have a good novel here where I think you would still have supporters and probably make a higher total monthly with the same amount of patrons. I only say this to encourage further thought on it and see another side of it.

Flying Goat

The way to do side story voting would be A or B, not "do you want more content or not?" (Disclaimer: No idea how you did them, as a new supporter). Anyhow, as a new $10 supporter, my primary interests are you not burning out, and that any perk neither slows down the pace you release chapters, nor alienates $5 supporters. I suspect extra chapters would risk alienating $5 supporters. I, at least, chose the $10 over $5 tier just because of how much I enjoy the story (It's the one that inspired me to create an account), and to support your writing a bit more.

Anonymous

Voting on additional art commissions maybe?

Signspace

Only advice I can give is don't promise something in a Patreon tier that would take away from you doing whatever it is that your patreons are subbing for, in your case, writing new chapters.

Anonymous

I hate to say this but I've always wondered why the chapters ahead is worth anything. To me free should be 1 ch per week $5 is 2-3 chapter then $10 could be 4-5. Granted I'm always happy for more.

Anonymous

My personal take on this is, I wouldnt go to a $10 to read further ahead. I'd rather give the $5 to a different Patreon and help out more people. $5 here and there adds up quickly when you are supporting 10 different creators. As for ideas at the $10 tier, that is hard if you've already got things like side stories / world building, or say working drafts of a different story at $15. You could move side stories to $10, but that may alienate people @ $15. No idea how many people you have at tier $15, but maybe you could consider just reducing the $15 to $10, and create a new level at $15 that has no extra benefit, but is just there for people who like to send more money. I dont know how much of an impact that would have, people may be more inclined to join a $10 tier than a $15 tier. Edit; ok I'm a dumb dumb. For some reason I thought you didn't actually have a $10 tier. Never mind!

Viola
>>54128887

The glaring issue with that is that in a not long amount of time the disparity between free and anything else will be... well massive. This does not create goodwill from the community. Quite the opposite from all the opinions and discussions I've seen and been in on the subject. It is pretty well treated as a paywall. And those aren't treated well by the community at large, granted that is mostly the translation community and less the original webnovel community but there is a not small amount of crossover. TBH i haven't heard of a single case of the increase per week method working. It could be out there, I just haven't seen it.

Anonymous

Oh actually I’ve got an idea. “Questions” To be specific at the 10/tier you can ask 1 question a month and get an answer even if it spoils things. The condition is keep it to yourself and obviously sometimes the answer will be I didn’t plan that far (and maybe talk with them a bit about it) Some people Want spoilers and allowing them to have a 1 on 1 with you will not only help answer a question nagging at them but give you more ideas on what readers; especially those willing to throw money at your story; are curious about Edit; it can also help you identify things you might have thought the readers knew but didn’t. Something that every writer can stumble on in my opinion.

Anonymous
>>54142630

Considering how open Selkie is to answering people in Discord, he'd basically need to stop talking if he did this xD

Anonymous

You could let higher tier patreons vote on the type of plagues Elaine will come across from a few options? Like symptoms, transmission, commoner attitude? Or other small details like that peppered through the story. Pretty much a less personalised expansion of the character thing you have already.

Sphinxes

First crack at any polls you plan. You can let them get involved with adding ideas or getting them ready for the rest of the patreons to vote on.

luda305

A little off topic, but I think you need to reconsider how fast you are releasing on Royal Road. As far as I can tell, Royal Road is releasing at the same rate as you release to your Patrons, it's just a fixed length time delay. Because of that, you're not building up any backlog and you're risking a hamster wheel/postal service burnout. Kosnik4 for example is writing and releasing to Patrons 2 chapters a week, but is releasing 1 per week to RR. And while he writes less than you, I'm not sure that's relevant. Point being is that he is now like 20 chapters ahead on Patreon and if he needs a week or two off, he has that flexibility. And if, for instance, he wanted to split his Patreon base into different tiers have different chapter access, he can do that without creating a whole lot of extra work for himself.

SelkieMyth
>>54405794

Solid feedback! Believe it or not - I do write faster than I post! My not-posted backlog slowly increases, so if I ever stumble IRL, I can continue to meet my Patreon and RR commitments. It's high stress for me when it shrinks too much - part of why I took a break - but I'm sitting on an 11 chapter backlog right now

Anonymous

Personally I would advise against splitting your chapters between pay tiers since it tends to split the community and you may get less people willing to sub instead of just reading the free release. As someone mentioned above that 5 soon adds up when you are supporting multiple creators so I think a good few people are not willing to pay above 5 and if that doesn’t get you the newest chapter then many just stick with public release. Maybe you could add some form of extra voting or polls to it, less stuff that you want wide opinions on and more stuff that you want to let the community help alter the theme on. You could also try including sneak peaks in it, no big spoilers on r anything but more of a “in the next arc Elaine somehow finds herself alone in a desert fighting on giant man eating plants while hunting a valuable cure” or something. No really big spoilers but the occasional here’s what may be coming up next arc or two to get people excited or speculating.

Anonymous

I have a small content suggestion which might add some storyline that you could write about. She could spend some time healing vampires. Vamps that Night trusts could be told that they could engage in slightly more dangerous training or other activity and be healed. In turn, she could gain class levels and competency in healing vampires. Also it would of course help replenish the respect for good relations with humans among the vamps, if she healed not-so-trusted vamps or other kingpins who influenced the less human-friendly vamps. The goal of this might be to have more confidence in her ability to quickly and affordably heal Night. Of course, practicing on Night might be the most time-efficient method of learning to heal Night... more ideas on this, but I won't risk boring you any more with additional rambling.