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I-LAND Ep. 9 (Patreon)

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NG

The producer's choice for this test caused so much drama among viewers while it was airing, and I felt so bad for Jake because a lot of hate was directed his way after this. Like you, I didn't have my own top choice, but I can understand why they chose Jake. When the chemi test was first introduced, it mentioned that they would be looking for the team that showed the most synergy on stage, and based on the feedback for Sunoo, Daniel, and Taki, it was clear to me that the Dive Into You team wouldn't be the one that they considered to have shown more synergy (which is why Jay or Ni-Ki didn't win). As for picking the winner from Flicker, I thought it could have gone to anyone, and the producer's also said they all performed well. I wish more of their deliberations were shown so that viewers weren't left guessing why decisions were made... but hey, the episodes are long enough as it is. Having said that, it was mentioned in the episode that Flicker team was made of the current top 4 ranking guys plus Jake- now if the producers already stated that they all did well (no one stood out significantly more than the others) then I do think someone like Jake rising to perform at the same level of the other top performers is more impressive than the other 4 performing at their existing performance level.

Sham Sham

Man flicker is still the best song along with into the i-land. I still have the flicker stage on repeat every now and then. The members fit so perfectly and just so smooth

Teagan

From my view of what Heeseung said about K, I think he meant that K was being straightforward about his intentions or goals (not in a bad way), even if the way he did it was passive (as you said).

Julianne

I LOVE Jay. He's so fiery and straightforward and honest. He bulldozes so hard but is ultimately a very nice person, so I love it.

Kiwi Space

If you want to be a singer be a singer, if you want to be a dancer be a dancer. However if you want to be an idol, you should at least be a little well rounded because idols don't just dance they sing/rap also. I feel like certain people like K try to focus only on what they are good at or think is important and that is why the singing is often downplayed. Ni-ki did the same in the beginning as well. As for Jake, I think he really deserved it because he works hard and showed his improvement. As for the leader situation, I don't know K personally, we only get his personality based on this show and what the others say about him. It could be evil editing or it could not be, but he did come off a little passive aggressive (to me at least). And the situation with the music teacher was off putting, because K took charge all this time but when it came down to it he swiftly shifted the responsibility in a way to Heeseung, even Heeseung himself was surprised. Lastly, I think Dive into You was more appealing than Flicker. Both did good, but I just enjoyed it more.

Julianne

Honestly, unless they have a really big heart to heart and are very open to each other, K and Heesung really wouldn't do very well in the same debut group. They're both very leader-y people, and especially K, neither would be very comfortable being not-leader to someone they themselves don't feel is 100% "better" than them. Especially K. I think Heesung has more of the personality to maybe step back esp if he sees the other person is doing well leading. But K I think needs to lead and he doesn't seem to actually feel like Heesung is the better leader. He doesn't... I don't wanna use respect. That's not the word. There's a word in chinese I can't quite find a translation (google tells me the word translates to "submit" but that's not quite it either?). Like K himself doesn't truly believe Heesung can be a better leader. Like he respects Heesung's skills, he sees Heesung's strengths, but always from the perspective of a leader. Like I don't think he can even imagine, like truly internalize, Heesung being his leader. I can only see K stepping back for someone he wholeheartedly "submits" to. I think maybe it's less that K was manipulative here and really him 100% believing every word he's saying. I think for him to step down he needs someone aggressive to say no. I want that part. And I'm not even entirely sure K would take it poorly if someone DID just say no to him. I think maybe that's what Heesung means by straightforward. Bc I kind of see Heesung as more passive in comparison to K. Heesung's not comfortable with K stepping in like that, but he doesn't really speak up about it. I think K is that person who needs an aggressive punch-back to back down. I don't think he's intentionally trying to push Heesung into a corner; rather he expects Heesung to step up and be aggressive if he doesn't like it. And to be fair, I 100% get Heesung and I can see from any perspective K would seem passively manipulative in the situation. I just think that's honestly just K's personality and K and Heesung really aren't a good fit together right now, without time or growth or friction that leads to growth and chemistry.

Julianne
>>57034621

Just to be clear I really like Heesung and I personally prefer Heesung's style of leading (bc I'm really not a particularly aggressive person). I just think K IS a really forceful person and he needs someone even more aggressive to make him back down. Hmm that's not quite what I mean. I don't think K necessarily ONLY responds to aggression. I just think K learns the most and LISTENS the most during confrontation. Like he doesn't really see anything wrong until it's in his face. He doesn't naturally try to "read the room" or account for feelings/thoughts unsaid or implied. He needs other people to bring the issue to him and sort of wave it in front of his face.

eli_nhdoaek

Im actually surprised PD didnt like Flicker cuz it’s a real fan favorite and one of the most viewed performances! Also I really love Jay’s personality!

Giselle

I think the producer more than anything pick Jake because he showed the most growth and have the potential to grow MORE. So they're giving the doubling votes to Jake because they want to guarantee his spot in I-Land for the next stage

Anonymous

I think it’s worth noting that K is a full 4 years older than Heeseung who was the next oldest in the Flicker team. And idk if you caught it but Heeseung also mentioned near the beginning of the ep how the whole debacle from episode 2 still bothered him so I don’t really blame them for being wary of bringing stuff like that up to K. Flicker really was that performance when the show aired though, I still think it’s iconic they all did so well!

Rae

I personally don't think K did anything wrong or unfair, maybe a little bit deceptive but because he knew he couldn't be an ass and demand the part away from Heesung. While he wasn't necessarily "straightforward" with Heesung he was honest in telling him he also wanted the same part; I feel Heesung was just too intimidated to stick his ground. In prior episodes, whenever more than one person wanted the same part they each performed it for the rest of the group and the other team members chose who best fit the part; however, Heesung didn't even suggest they try this out and immediately gave up the part to K. If anything I was frustrated at Heesung for not being honest and speaking his mind because I feel that ended up painting K in a bad light when I genuinely feel he didn't do anything wrong or anything we haven't seen before from other contestants. I understand that it is also not Heesungs fault for being intimidated by such a strong personality like K's (and the fact K is much older), but I feel he also could have tried a little bit more and not give in immediately and not be honest about the situation until much later. I feel that, unlike K, Heesung was just too afraid to speak up and be honest about the part he truly wanted and we ended up with unnecessary drama. Also, I am not siding with either or, I literally started watching this show for Heesung and I love him but throughout I have also grown to admire and really like K for his talent and personality. I am not judging how either one of them reacted in this situation, but I do see both sides and where they are both coming from, I was just a bit frustrated because two of my favorite contestants were having trouble communicating honestly with each other.

希文 王

I feel like (and this maybe me reading too much into the show lol) when Heeseung said that K spoke straightforwardly to him, it might be that he immediately knew what K was trying to do, and also they're on a show, so Heeseung couldn't just say K was trying to manipulate them (since that sounds really bad for both sides). And about K, I do think he thinks more as a dancer, he's also got decent (not necessarily the best or most stable) vocals so he doesn't worry too much about them, which makes it come off as he doesn't care for vocals (which I suppose is also partially true, at least from what I can tell from the show)

Malaki.H

YAYY IAM BACK!!

Serena

omg literally while i was watching this they posted the enhypen comeback announcement. and its one week after you will have finished i-land. talk about perfect timing

Anonymous

PD, if those are plot twists, I’m a bit scared what you’ll say about next episodes. I’ll try to provide some context without spoiling things: at the end of the eighth episode there were mid-point results of a viewer’s voting. They were...surprising. I-land Twitter literally lost it then.

Gracie828

I agree about the songs, PD. These are probably my least favorites from the show. As far as Jake getting 1st, I do think the producers were going off of overall growth. Looking back I was really surprised by it at the time, but I think the producers must have seen something that maybe just doesn't show up well on the show. Like you said, the editing never really focused on him, so it's hard to tell. I did also wonder at the time if part of it had to do with them using the benefit to help make sure he wouldn't rank last in the global vote. His ranking wasn't very high in the first global vote. That may be all wrong though. As for K and Heeseung, I pretty much agree with what you said. I don't think there was anyone at fault for the situation, I think it was pretty much bound to happen with those personalities.

Diana

When Heesung says that K had been very straightforward he means earlier in the show. Like, when they were preparing for the first test in Part 1. And I agree. This is a completely normal team conflict situation, but of course they need to blow it up into more of a drama than it maybe was. Who knows. I think they arrived at a very healthy resolution, and both parts messed up, as they're bound to. But it's part of it. I think I said this before, but it would be really interesting if you could listen to Enhypen's debut EP after you finish the show (and they're having their first comeback this month, so there's that :P). They included a fully produced, 'Enhypen version' of Flicker, since it was a fan favorite. I had my qualms about that version at first, but after a few listens it got to me. Would love to hear your thoughts on it

Réka O.

Am I the only one who really loves both songs and was really into both performances? 🤔 I think everyone did an amazing job, a lot of them stood out and both songs are ones that I would put on my regular playlist. It's also one of my favorite episodes (except for the drama with K)

Jess

In all honesty I don't think I would've given first place to jake, niki or jungwon would've been my pick. Something that kinda gets me about this episode though is some of the producer's comment kinda rubbed me the wrong way, for example; one of them(I think it was doobu) said that the dive into you team had more of a focus on personal performance rather than the team and that they basically had bad teamwork. I personally strongly disagree with that. I felt like they actually had really good teamwork and synced with each other really well, much better than team Flickr, as a matter of fact. I also didn't really think that sunoo's facial expressions looked awkward or out of place, I didn't see much of him, but the example they showed as his "bad" facial expressions just didn't look that bad too me. Third thing they kinda rapped on team Dive into you about that I just didn't really vibe with; appealed to the fans too much. All they really did was that little intro and I thought it was kinda adorable but the thing is, it's a competition based on votes, appealing to the fans is apart of the competition and stuff like that makes them more memorable to the viewers(in my opinion). I dont know, I kinda feel like some of the judgements the producer's made towards Dive into you were just a tad unfair. Though I might be biased because I practically adopted niki and sunoo in this show(I was rotting for them so hard lol). Sorry I've been storing this rant deep inside my heart since the day this episode aired. Flickr is still one of the most talked about songs on iland and I kind of agree with you, it's a bit boring, but I was actually kinda fond of Dive into you😅. One last thing, I was actually kinda proud of how the younger members approached k, it took a little bit, but it cab be intimidating to speak to speak up to an elder in America, so I would think it's a hundred times more intimidating in Korea where there is a much bigger focus on respect for your elders(based on my limited knowledge of Korean culture), not to mention k's less than approachable demeanor. So yeah, I actually they were actually very mature about they handled the situation, all things considered. I'm so sorry I'm basically ranting at this point because this episode made me experience so many emotions.... to end on a bright note though, it's going to time out almost perfectly that enhypens first comeback will be happening right around when you finish the series. Their first comeback is on the 26th.

Natsu Dragneel

Next episode please 😭😭😭

Kpop_Platypus

I hadn't picked a bias until that midway episode PD skipped, when I finally settled on Jay - but this episode really made me fall for him.  He did such a good job with his team & showed his personality brilliantly in the process. 🥰  Thus, I'm too biased to comment on the producers' pick for first. Heesung's right that the Ice Prince skates better than he walks; he was so *natural* as soon as his blade hit the ice. ⛸

serenity

I personally would've given it to Jake or Jay definitely. Jake just has so much ambition and untapped potential, at the beginning he was completely new to everything and barely had any training, so obviously he will have a lower skill set than others initially, but he started to blast past many people and grow exponentially, he personally caught my eye the most during the Flicker performance. Also I have to say this episode and more specifically this Dive Into You performance is what made my eyes open to Jay finally, I had always like him previously, but when he performed in this episode I was SO IMPRESSED and he instantly became my new favorite

JustCakie

Surprised you didn’t like flicker! It’s a huge fan favourite and I still revisit that performance frequently

Anonymous
>>57073935

No i was too! These are some of my top songs from the show (though to be fair, i thought all original music on the show was very good)

Anonymous

I'm kind of surprised that you didn't like flicker as it was the definite fan favorite from the show. I personally found it very charming too, and i especially adored the back facing choreography since that type of formation is rare in kpop. In my opinion Jake more than deserved the 1st place producer pick this time, i think it was a really defining performance for him that raised the bar. I like Dive into you a lot too, especially the beginning part and all subsequent "marvelous" parts. Jay was incredibly strong there. Actually, i remember liking Dive into you more than Flicker as well, i thought it was a stronger performance at the time. Hmmm, rewatching it now i can definitely see the charm of Flicker as well, but i think i stand by DIY being better. I also agree with the producers critique towards Sunoo. It's not that his facial expressions were bad, it's just that they didn't really match with the rest of the teams vibe. It was a bit too playful. Regarding the Heeseung and K drama i just think they have clashing personalities. K is very strong headed and stubborn, while Heeseung is more accomodating and gentle. My own personality is very similar to Heeseung's and so i naturally emphasize a lot with him. I too would've felt really intimidated and scared to voice my opinions to K. I think someone else pointed it out, but when Heeseung said K was "straight forawrd" i'm pretty sure he meant during part 1 in the early episodes.

Eme123!
>>57035666

I like Flicker but I think dive into you was better in my opinion.

Eme123!

When you said about Dive into you team is a good group team set up, I totally agreed! they should have debuted this group Lol

Dharling

I'm happy that I'm not the only one that prefer with Dive in to you... Like while there was times in which Flicker was good, but to me it was nothing compared to Dive in to you!

Alanna M

I personally loved Flicker, it's my favourite song and performance from the show. I just love that style of music and concept plus the way they performed it - followed by Dive Into You and I&credible. Both of these songs are my favourites. I'm so happy they picked Jake for no1, he was amazing in that performance. Well deserved. But I also loved the other song too, they all slayed it! Jay and Ni-ki suited it soooo much. I know Jay was sad Heeseung didn't pick him but he excelled in the other group and was an incredible leader too, it worked out perfectly. Anyway it didn't even matter that they gave Jake 1st since global voting decided the rank and nothing changed.

avocadoetarts

i like the song 'flicker' more but i do love the 'dive into you' team more. so i'm leaning towards dive into you performance more

Anonymous

I guess i am late to the party... oh well it's never to late to leave a comment. Personally I liked Flicker alot more than dive into you. Mainly because of that sensual (not necessarily sexy) vibe and the deeper key (music wise). I also thought that the Flicker members were overall better and more impactful. I didn't really like Dive into you. The boys did a good job but the only one that stood out to me was Jay and i believe that the dive into you team would have been in a fix without Jay.