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After a week of temptation, my adjustment in Patreon was finally completed.

Patreon's staff wrote letters every day, which is quite good.

At least better than Twitter. Twitter can't read it anymore.

I tested the tolerance of the other party by deleting them one by one 

until all the content met the requirements at the end, 

and I will share with you some conclusions:


經歷了一周的試探,我在Patreon的調整總算完成。

Patreon的人員每天都有親筆回信,算是挺良好的。

至少比Twitter好,Twitter只會已讀不回。

我以逐次刪除來試探對方的容許度,直到最後所有內容符合規定,

和大家分享一下得出的幾項結論:



This time Patreon officials strictly deal with two things:

1. Restrictions and pressure on minors (especially Japanese style)

2. Restrictions and pressure on external websites


這次的Patreon官方人員嚴格處理了兩件事:

1.對未成年(日系風格尤為嚴格)的限制與施壓

2.對於外連網站的限制與施壓


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1.

Regarding the first point, basically the Japanese style is almost out (I'm not sure if this word has a different name in other countries, but in our country, cute and sexy anime characters will be referred to as Japanese style), because these will almost always be Considered "suspected" as a minor.


Yes, not for Loli, but for minors under 18 years of age, and judging by appearance and style of painting, which has greatly improved the standard, even if your work is not R18, as long as these "suspects" exist Underage types are also considered illegal by Patreon.


Examples of standards are as follows, you can refer to the normal works on my Pixiv:

pixivartworks:77583925、76244142、72613080 

Best funny pixivartworks: 78010753

The above four are all content that Patreon told me are illegal.


Officials provided a reference basis, saying that the main basis is "face", even if the figure is sexy and full, the face is not qualified is out. In addition, it is forbidden to use compressed files to hide works, even if no password is attached and the picture is not on the cover of the article. Of course, if the other person's expression of reluctance to sex pictures is expressed, this will also be out of the game. I think that the adult subject matter created by the two-dimensional element may only be left bare, and it must also be an obvious adult character:


2.

Regarding the second point, the official said that it would check your Patreon traffic source and confirm whether there is any illegal content. If there is illegal content, then it will also be used to limit your Patreon business.


For example, if you have "suspect" underage work on Twitter or Pixiv (everything mentioned in the first point), Patreon will ban you from putting links to Pixiv on Patreon, and you will also be prohibited from putting Pixiv on Pixiv Enter Patreon's link, otherwise your Patreon will be considered illegal. Because of this, I have removed all links at the moment. If you want to see the work overview, I can only suggest manually searching for keywords such as "Waero Pixiv", "Waero Twitter", "Waero Patreon" or "Waero Gumroad" ... Enter these platforms yourself.


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1.

關於第一點,基本上日系風格近乎都出局了(我不確定這個詞在其他國家是否有別種稱呼,但在我們的國家,可愛性感的動漫人物會用日系風格來代稱),因為這些幾乎都會被視為"疑似"未成年。


是的,不是針對蘿莉,而是針對未滿18歲的未成年,而且是用外貌和畫風來判斷,這讓標準大幅被提升,甚至即便你的作品並非R18,只要存在這些"疑似"未成年的類型,也都會被Patreon視為違規。


標準舉例如下,大家可以參考我Pixiv上的正常向作品:

pixivartworks:77583925、76244142、72613080

最好笑的pixivartworks: 78010753 

上述四張,都是Patreon告知我屬於違規的內容。


官方人員提供的參考依據,表示主要依據是"臉",身材即使性感豐滿,臉不合格也是出局。另外,使用壓縮檔的方式隱藏作品也是禁止的,即便沒附上密碼、文章封面沒上圖片也是如此。當然,對於性愛畫面若對方表情表示不情願,這也會出局,我認為二次元創作的成人題材恐怕只能剩下單純的裸露,而且還必須是個明顯成年的角色:


2.

關於第二點,官方表示會回查你的Patreon流量來源,並確認是否也存在違規內容,如果有存在違規內容,那麼也會用此來限制你的Patreon經營。


舉例來說,如果你的Twitter或Pixiv存在"疑似"未成年的作品(第一點提到的所有內容),那麼Patreon將禁止你在Patreon上放入Pixiv的連結,也禁止你在Pixiv上放入Patreon的連結,否則你的Patreon將被視為違規。正因如此,我目前已經將所有連結都移除,如果各位想觀看作品總覽,我只能建議手動搜索"Waero Pixiv"、"Waero Twitter"、"Waero Patreon"或"Waero Gumroad"…等關鍵字自行進入這些平台。


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In the future, I may adjust my Patreon business model,

For example, changing the display mode of the updated works, or changing the new platform.

You can add all my related websites as favorites to get updated information.


It is still in the planning stage, and I need some time to do research.

However, it has taken a week to deal with Patreon.

I have n’t been able to update my project for almost a week.

Next I hope to focus on completing this month's work.

After the work is completed, I will consider the other directions mentioned above.


I will continue to complete this month's update,

The promised items will still be sent normally every other month.


未來,我可能會調整我Patreon的經營模式,

例如更換作品更新的展示方式,或是更換新的平台。

你可以將我的相關網站都加入收藏以便獲取更新資訊。


目前還在規劃中,我還需要些時間進行研究。

不過,目前已經花費了一周的時間和Patreon周旋,

我有近乎一周的時間無法更新預計製作的作品,

接下來我希望先專注於完成本月份的作品。

待作品完工,我再考慮上述其他方向。


這個月的更新我還是會繼續完成,

而隔月依然會正常發送承諾項目。

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Comments

Anonymous

辛苦了,換fanbox或fantia吧

Sakaki168

唉= =找麻煩啊

Frank Leo

Please keep me updated shall there be any changes and / or you are moving to a new platform.

Anonymous

Oh wow, I wouldn't have expected them to be involved so much and explain things in such detail. You can probably still draw the characters you like, just not as lolis, and if you do want to draw them as lolis it just doesn't have to be sexual.

pengin senshi

Patreon's guidelines are too broad and they can choose whenever they like to come down on your creations. While Pixiv fanbox or such might be similar, I'm not sure what exactly the guidelines would be for uncensored work. You could look into "only fans" as well. I guess.

waero

I think Patreon may be under pressure from some groups.

waero

That was the previous rule. The rule now is "must look 18 years old" And "whether it's R18 or not"

Anonymous

patreon: fuck off and Kill urself

ZeN33n

請問我能轉發你的文章到我那裡嗎?我覺得我是下個被視為候選目標 ...囧

Anonymous

Will you be moving to subscribestar or any other similar page?

Anonymous

Will follow you if you move Waero, thank you for the explanation...

Kyle Fiker

I'm sure its been suggested before, but I hear a lot of patreon artists are moving to pixiv fanbox!

Anonymous

pixiv fanbox may be a better solution :)

waero

Maybe, but I need some time to research, and I plan to finish this month's work first.

waero

I have applied for FANBOX, but currently it is only used to promote other platforms.

Anonymous

fanbox

Anonymous

fanbox似乎是在抓无码内容,Kinhasu刚被警告了来着

Anonymous

辛苦您了,最起碼看得到官方很用心回答每個問題

Chung

I cannot believe this is happening, I have been supporting you from the very first day you started your Patreon page until now and Patreon only kept getting worse with it‘s rules. No matter where you go from here on out, I will keep supporting you~

Fi-san

Yeah seems that: No links allowed on Patreon No flat chest or cute face....

Anonymous

Fantia, Fanbox, whatever. Hope you just get a break from being restricted for doing art. :<

waero

I am currently working on new works, and when I am done, I will think about whether I should open a new platform.

LurkerBelow

Another creator I know of ran into this problem and now runs most of their content out of a patreon linked discord server and uploads to mega, effectively turning Patreon into a redirect to their discord community.

Anonymous

似乎還有一段路要走 ,不過比起其他條 這條好多了

Anonymous

如果台灣自己有平台就好了

waero

Do you mean Ranken? I have talked to him, I heard him say that some people don't like using Discord, But I'm not too familiar with it and it takes time to research.