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The Vampire Diaries S04E11 - Catch Me If You Can FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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Anonymous

i wonder if Stefan was compelled too, when he was told not to care, the way he was acting. i honestly don't remember

Anonymous

I love Damon in this episode. He may not have been strong enough to resist Kol's compulsion, but from the moment he realized he'd been compelled, he made it clear that he'd rather Jeremy kill him than be forced to kill Jeremy. He kept on encouraging Jeremy to kill him and actually got mad at Jeremy for shooting him in the head rather than the heart. For all Kol's insisting that Damon secretly wanted Jeremy dead, clearly nothing could have been further from the truth. One thing I'll never understand about Damon is, he's done enough truly horrific things in his life that he deserves to be blamed for, so why does he insist on taking the blame for a situation where he was actually blameless? In the previous episode, Klaus had chastised Damon for the fact that he hadn't turned any of the townspeople into vampires for Jeremy to kill and admitted that he had already made "the necessary corrections" before speaking to Damon about it. Yet Damon seemed perfectly happy to let Jeremy, Matt, and Elena believe that he was at least part of the reason all these innocent people had been turned into vampires for Jeremy to kill. I just don't get it -- he has more than enough things people should already be blaming him for, why take on Klaus's baggage, too? Also, why did Stefan claim that Elena didn't know what he looked like when he wasn't in love with her? Didn't he spend a couple of months in season 3 with his emotions off, where he didn't care about anything including Elena?

Chantelle Miles

To be fair it wasn't exactly the same line she used on Stefan back in S03E05...she told Stefan yes u love me but also that after everything they've been through, Stefan owed her that...Elena with Damon she was trying to show him that he is just as strong to resist it, and i believe he did resist a few times and that time, he could have easily killed Jeremy before Stefan arrived, he stopped and told Jeremy to kill him instead of giving into the compulsion.

Chantelle Miles

All vampires originated from the original family so hundreds or hundreds of thousands came from each one of them, including Finn lol u only saw two of Finns sire line die because that's the only ones from his line in Mystic Falls so i believe you have gotten a bit confused about that. Plus its ones who originated from Finn not just he turned himself but like the characters said before "its who they've turned to for example Finn turned Sage so who Sage turned would be part of that sire line and all the vampire who got turned by Sage's sire line and so on and so on lol... Kol enjoys who he is way more than Finn so i think its safe to say that Kol's sire line is a lot longer than Finns.

Jon

They burned up all of the vervain in Mystic Falls when the council blew up.

Maia

Yes, Stefan is being a dick and it's annoying, I feel you. To be fair to him though, he is still super post-break up and he is certainly not the first person to want to be a dick and say nasty things to his ex and her new BF, or to forget all about her. And he could've let Damon kill Jeremy, which would have really driven a wedge between him and Elena but he stopped him. If you look past him being a dick you can see he does still love Damon and Elena (if anything, that's why he's being extra-dickish) and I find that helps me be less irritated when I watch :) To answer a couple of your questions: breaking compulsion is extremely difficult. So far we only know two people who learned how to do it (Caroline's dad and Shane). Stefan briefly resisted the specific order to kill Elena, but he killed MANY MANY other people and did many other terrible things while compelled. Comparing that scenario to this one is a bit unfair, because Damon (obviously) doesn't love Jeremy the way he loves Elena. And to be fair to Damon, he was clearly trying his best to not kill Jeremy (walking as slowly as possible, teaching him to escape, encouraging him to kill him). I actually feel like this episode was oddly a bit of a Jeremy-Damon bonding episode. I think this taught Jeremy that Damon does care about him, and of course that's tangled up in his feelings for Elena, but he could have killed him and Elena couldn't really hold it against him due to the compulsion. Instead he tried to let Jeremy kill him, and I don't think that was lost on Jer. As for the vervain - if you remember, Evilaric gave the town's supply to the council, and they had it in the cabin when it blew. If you watch back you'll notice nobody uses it since then (aside April in the bracelet). Which might have been why Stefan suspected that compelled guy was working for a third team - nobody in Mystic Falls right now should have vervain. I loved your reaction to the killing Kol plan! A lot of people when they saw that are like "seriously Elena is just okay with killing thousands of innocent vampires to cure herself?" and actually I felt that way too until I watched it back. I now realize that thousands of people are going to die anyways - Klaus is going to keep slaughtering them until the mark is done anyways. This way, it prevents any more murders from happening and takes an Original who clearly does not like them out of the game lol. Looking forward to your next reaction!! :)

WB
>>15003592

You do good and people expect you to be good. Damon doesn’t like that, so tends to play the villain when the choice is available

Anonymous
>>15018274

I agree with you about the plan to kill Kol. Also, it's not like they are killing Kol for the purpose of completing the hunter's mark -- they're doing it because Kol compelled Damon to kill Jeremy; all the vampires who will die as a result is a bonus, and one they're happy about, but they wouldn't be even considering doing it if Kol hadn't made himself a threat.

Anonymous
>>15003592

That makes sense, he did tell Elena that was the reason he doesn't let people see the good in him, I guess I just feel like there's a difference between withholding the truth about his good deeds and outright lying to claim bad deeds that aren't actually his own. But, yeah, I guess it does seem in character for Damon to do something like that.

BaoziBang

Everytime someone talks about killing an Originals I think about the Bloodline and how many good Vampires probably belong to it. If Kol's Line was made up off around 10,000 Vampires there would probably be at least 3,000 good Vampires, if each of them had 5 People they counted as Family then the Gang would hurt around 15,000 People by killing 1 Original. That seems a lot worse than compelling Damon to kill Jeremy ec. The problem is that we are always more impacted by stuff that directly involves us. Because it's a TV Show I see it in a rational way and killing even a single Original without at least trying to break the sireline first seems simply incredibly wrong to me.

ShinSkarlett
>>15018274

Well Elena clearly stated that Kol must have sired thousand and that killing him would complete the mark so I pretty sure they killed him in order to do so and stopping the compulsion on Damon was actually the bonus they got in that scenario.

Anonymous
>>15018274

Not really. They were trying to figure out what to do with Kol and how to stop the compulsion and THEN realized that not only would killing Kol stop the compulsion but it would complete the mark. The only part of the plan that would’ve changed if the mark wasn’t involved would be that Jermey didn’t have to be the one to kill Kol. Stopping Kol was their first priority and why the idea of killing him even came up in the first place. Not “Hey would should kill Kol to complete the mark and hey it’ll also stop the compulsion so that’s good!” It was “If we kill Kol the compulsion will go away and if we have Jermey do it then his mark will be complete!”

Keith Engel
>>15018274

Nor was Damon willing to sacrifice his own life while under Compulsion to protect Jeremy lost on Elena to add to that point. It's interesting to see how people view the Stefan vs Damon resisting the compulsion matter, and how that also gets used. Where people get confused is how the resistance of the compulsion is shown on camera. Stefan's is erractic and dramatic on the camera. his slamming into lockers, walls, and other things to stop himself, all for a certain visual effect. Yet, this also is a way of showing Stefan own erratic nature on film as a portrayal of his character. The reverse is true of Damon, in his resistance is "less dramatic" on film, but fits his character, cool, calm, collected, and in control as he walks coolly and telling Jeremy to run, to get away, and eventually, even his willingness to sacrifice himself, as we have seen is the deeper part of his character that he hides from others. This ,as far as I'm concerned, is even stronger than Stefan's resistance, because it wasn't about Elena or his love for her, like Stefan's, but his own love for Jeremy as was the key point brought up at the start of the episode, sure Elena's love is involved here, but it's secondary, it's actually about the bond and love he developed for Jeremy over the course of seasons after he snapped Jeremy's neck at the start of Season 2. Jeremy thinking he is doing what he is doing to "impress" Elena, which time and time again, he has proving that he doesn't do what he does to impress or seek approval from others, e.g. the Rose Dream matter. That is what Stefan does in his trying to be a good person or act as a good person, to seek approval from others so he can feel good about himself for the wrong he has done, and he wants praise for the good he does, while Damon doesn't. The difference between acting like a better person, and being a better person. As Damon even brings up to Jeremy being bad ass, you either walk the walk or talk the talk.

Keith Engel
>>15003592

I do think Elena comes to realize that Damon wasn't at fault for what took place up at the Cabin, once she realized Klaus was involved that made the matter more complicated. She does trust Damon, sire bond or no sire bond, as was established with the plan to kill Klaus and she didn't hesitate to say yes to that question when asked. It's one of the ways as a viewer, you have to sort of break through the "sire bond" misdirection the writers use at this time to create the doubt in viewers minds.

Keith Engel
>>15018274

It's nice to see someone who also understands the Kol situation, and not take it out on Elena as I have seen many others do. First, Kol puts himself into that position in the first place so he is responsible for what happens to him, not Elena. Next was the added matter of Klaus then threatening them on top of the threat from Kol. Third, is the threat of Damon being under compulsion, and it's funny how the plan before was to kill Klaus while Stefan was under Klaus' compulsion, to save him. Thus, we also see a consistency in Elena's character in what she's willing to do for someone she loves, in this case both Jeremy and Damon. I don't see many bring this matter up from the previous season as well. Last, it comes down to what are they trying to prevent take place with Jeremy, him becoming a zealot monster who lost his own humanity like Connor, which is also reflected in Kol's own zealotry and being a monster, so kill a monster to prevent Jeremy from becoming one, while also saving Jeremy's life and Damon as well, the fact that it would complete Jeremy's hunter mark is actually the secondary point.